Thread: TPV's experimental music

Thanks for the comments. The day I made Alien Plains I made prob 5 songs just like it in a row, the rest were all 1 track improvs. The great thing about the Korg R3 and I'm sure many other synths is that alot can be achieved by simply playing some simple chords and notes and by twisting a few knobs. That allows for alot of personal expression without the need for a great deal of physical coordination. I'll be sure to upload them soon.

Yeah alot of the stuff like modulation wheel was random. I find it alot more fun to play when I'm just going as I want and not trying to remember what I wanted to do or worry about messing up. I only play a little bit of keyboard but one of my favorite things to do in music is randomly play or just solo along to a keyboard rhythm and chord changes.

I got a pirated version of Reason 4, which has amazing synths and drum samples. I also have a korg micro, but I hate that thing to death. You should really try and find a buddy who has a pirated Reason 4 version, its such a luxury. The more instruments you have the harder it gets to just "jam out" or even make music yourself, thats where bands nail us folks

Originally Posted by dylanshmai

you guys don't know anything about me. except for my opinion on this matter which I think is complete wankery, which is completely normal, but not musical. You wouldn't be able to guess who I was in real life, you wouldn't know. I might have gotten a bit confused on what band was what, because you guys showed me about 4. jhon zorn did some jazz stuff. That asian band was going to a 4 step some of the time, except for the inserts of distortion, which no one wants to listen to, or doesn't care enough at the time to call it anything but music (which is what it is). I define music, by the skill, time, notes played, and most importantly of all: the construction of the music, and the writing that goes into it, that is just as much apart of music, and these songs lack just that.

You say you've taught people guitar lessons, so have I. I've been in all sorts of bands, and have written over a 100 songs. blah blah blah. Can, you guys even tell me the kind of emotional impact these tunes have on you? or what kind of essence it holds? happy? sad? angry? dark? I can't even tell because its so muddy, and the effect steals the show with repetitive bumps in the same tone range. flanger, phaser, whatever it is, is fucking annoying to me.

its my opinion against everybody elses what can I say, everyone thinks differently.

I informed you about my guitar experience not to try and get one up on you but to point out your ludicrous conclusion that i don't write music, and to let you know that i know all about lazy bedroom guitar playing so you don't need to play that card. So likewise, you don't know anything about me, as you assumed you did.

I respect your view of what music is, i have no problem with that, but i do have a problem with you entering a thread and tearing certain styles of music apart and telling people they don't know what music is. I've been getting worked up in this thread because of the fact that you don't seem to understand that your view of music is not what everybody else's view of music is. Can't you just accept that, for other people, music doesn't necessitate technical skill, conventional structure, time? Fair enough if it does for you, but nobody's definitions are a universal law, including yours. The question of "What is art?" changes from person to person. I don't care that you voiced an opinion in this thread, it's the way you voiced that opinion - you were rude and crass and holier-than-thou about it. If it was constructive criticism it would be a different story.

As for emotional impact: The first time i heard AMM (droney free improvisation) i was blown away. I felt excited. I wanted to go outside into the sun and experience the day, and i did. Merzbow (noise) has the uncanny ability to pump me up or calm me down, depending on my state of mind at the time. His music can be soothing and it makes me happy. Borbetomagus can bring me to life, so to speak, compel me into motion. They can also put me in a reflective and sombre frame of mind. That is what music is about in my mind. At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether you're playing in some scale, whether your song has an acceptable structure, whether you're playing to a beat or any like that. If a piece of music can make me feel something (anything!) it's acceptable enough. I can get that from Beethoven, i can get it from Dream Theater, i can get it from Kate Bush, i can get it from Miles Davis, but i can get it in equal amounts from the other music mentioned here in this thread. I get that you can't, but that doesn't exclude it from being musical and emotionally rewarding to others. I think you need to learn to respect that.

I'll keep that software in mind dylanshmai

Here is a new vid, of my song "I Loved at that Distant Star"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdvsaQM90Pc

Edit: I just want to explain that for the majority of that I was just playing some chord changes and some individual notes and some knob twisting but the actual "swooshing" and the percussion sounds in the background are part of that synth patch

thanks, I guess I'm still stuck with my initial opinion on the matter, but I'm glad to see you are being productive.

Just some old stuff that I finally got around to putting on youtube:

Hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oDW_yuW8aw

This was recorded with an mp3 player in front of my bass amp and consists of my Korg R3 for the droning and a microphone run through a Boss GT-8 with lots of effects for the other stuff.

derhs modnar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZroN7zFJc

Took a small bit of fast random guitar shredding, expanded it, and it exploded from there

Majestic Echo Hall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8XhbZhIhzs

Guitar improv with who knows what kind of effects, lots of delay and reverb though

Ive never heard genuine noise music but my one friend listens to it all the time, is there anything u can reccomed for a first time listener to help get me hooked?

Originally Posted by Epicdreamer

Ive never heard genuine noise music but my one friend listens to it all the time, is there anything u can reccomed for a first time listener to help get me hooked?

You can't get hooked on noise music. You have to be born loving it. It is not a genre, it is a lifestyle. By that I don't mean being goth or wearing black trench coats but having a deeper appreciation for sound itself. Sitting back and just listening. This isn't pop music where catchy hooks make you wanna sing it all day. This is music that people who don't love it can't understand it.

Merzbow, Masonna, and Folkstorm are my favorite noise artists but there are certainly a lot more out there. Folkstorm Sweden I is the song I first heard one night on a college radio station. I had no idea what had just happened but I knew I liked it.

Good stuff. I oughta sometime just hit record and jam away improv like this. I always find myself playing really interesting cool things by just messing around on guitar. Very good effects. I also oughta pull out my effects pedal sometime.

Thanks, by recording everything and anything then listening, the good parts will then be in your head when you need to add something to a work.

Improv jamming is one of the funnest things you can do. I definitely recommend recording it. I see it all as figuring out your own style by finding what you like to play and constantly adding things to it.

I've never been good at improving but then again havnt really had the chance to do so. I've seen some of your vids and they are pretty sweeet lol It's amazing and facinating and intriguing to my how good it sounds and its original. Maybe i'm jst wierd but I think its pretty cool what u guys come up with when u all jam together