So yeah anything, from vague racism to hatred of goodness.
I''d say my hatred of basically all real fat people.
And a slight feeling of men being far stronger emotionally than woman, who suck in that aspect.
Oh, and women can't drive.
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So yeah anything, from vague racism to hatred of goodness.
I''d say my hatred of basically all real fat people.
And a slight feeling of men being far stronger emotionally than woman, who suck in that aspect.
Oh, and women can't drive.
Your mom can't drive...
Oh wait...
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More seriously though, I think its the fact that I don't like to beat around the bush. I prefer to be totally honest and put forth my opinion, no matter what others think of it. Makes me come across as an asshole at times.
This Madeline McCann thing has gone on too long.
99.8% of music on the radio is pure crap (this goes for every single genre). If it's good, chances are it will never be heard.
That there is a real, objective center to morality. And not only that, but 1.)It has nothing to do with "right" or "wrong", nor "good" or "bad" 2.) It has nothing to do with religion or anything supernatural, and 3.)It can be seemlessly deduced from undeinable, self-evident axioms of reality.
Simply put, it comes down to consistent logic and inconsistent logic, and that is what determines if an act is moral or immoral, respectively.
I believe that government exists primarily to grow, enrich and empower itself. Anything else it just happens to do, for better or worse, is merely a byproduct of its primary goal.
ALL government.
I agree with you too much on this, i don't see the point in her getting all this publicity when there are other kids in her position with parents that struggle to get publicity, its been too long now and i'm sick of hearing about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldney
If it doesn't rhyme, then it's not poetry.
Osimero:
These simple haiku
That Japanese poets write;
They beg to differ.
Also, my most controversial view? The stolid belief that every single person over 12 that is responsible enough should carry a knife at all times. Knives are man's most useful (physical) tool, and should be treated as such, instead of the stupid view that, "all knives are weapons," that most sheeple hold these days.
I know that technically they're poetry, but what I meant is that to me it doesn't feel like poetry. ;)
Come to think of it, that's probably not my most controversial view.
Mine is probably that there is no such thing as evil, or an evil person.
negative actions are done because of ignorance.
Here are two big ones of mine:
1. The minimum legal driving age should 21. All drivers should be required to re-take a license exam at the ages of 50, 55, 60, and every two years after that.
2. All prospective parents should be required to take IQ tests as well as parental fitness exams. Those who cannot get their scores to a reasonable level by the time their child is 6 months old should have the child taken away and put up for adoption by more suitable parents.
Oh, and by the way, three children per family is more than enough. Anyone who wants a fourth should simply be placed into a mental institution.
I am seriously unimpressed by the whole Madelaine McCann thing.
Who leaves their kids alone like that anyway?
I like PJ's virtual admission to being an anarchist as well.
Anarchy is a very noble ideal in my opinion,
But probably, my most controversial view is that the world would be a far more stable and wealthy place if we were all subjects of one big super-state or world empire.
How can hundreds of little self-interested countries ever make for peace?
Its not humans vs nature, we are just as big a part of nature as the tree's are. We're natures golden child, the greatest achievement of its evolution. Its probably not my most controversial view but it kinda irks me when people talk like the human animal is somehow seperate from and against nature or the planet. This doesn't in anyway excuse us from responsibility though.
An idea that I was playing around with that id imagine is very controversial is that war is natural, and may also be beneficial to a top predator who's ability to evolve is questionable in light of no competition from other species. Just the same as ant colonies fight with one another, lion prides and monkey... troops? etc, so do humans.
I was going to post the same thing, except to start re-testing at the age of 60, not 50, and to be re-tested every 2 years until the age of 70, then annually thereafter. I think I've made a thread in Extended Discussion about this before.Quote:
Originally Posted by skysaw
I doubt you'll get any one's "most controversial view" here. And it's best that way. Why would we want to open up a big can of worms and start huge fights over nothing? Oh wait, that's what we do in every thread. Still, you'll not hear mine but I'll show my agreement with some others:
Same here. I try to be kind, civil and treat people with respect but, I don't generally take the most diplomatic route and I often come across as an @sshole for it. Oh well, love me or hate me - the choice is yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExoByte
So true. Only the most commercial bullcrap makes it to the airwaves. And that in itself is a surprise since you'd think that GOOD stuff would be what's "commercially well-suited" but you'd be wrong. The foolish masses eat crap like it's candy. I don't see who could possibly enjoy crap flavored candy but, it goes to show the power of being force-fed sh!t.Quote:
Originally Posted by skysaw
So very true. I think government serves a very worthy purpose. But I also see that governments are out to grow themselves and become the "saviors (read: controllers) of the people". Though they are almost never truly the saviors of anything except their own agendas and preservation.Quote:
Originally Posted by pj
I'm Conservative to the core. I believe that government needs to step back, scale back and quit trying to tell me what the hell I can and can't do. Rules are rules, yes. I respect and welcome rules. But I also respect that limits to the government's power and say-so must be kept in check. You give them an inch - they take a mile. You cave to one tax increase - they pile on more. You allow them to abuse their power - they never back down.
Travellers are scum and should be shot.
Madelleine McCann may have gone on for too long, but what about Princess Diana? She's ruined the news for 10 years! Oh, and yes I think the McCanns were exceptionally irresponsible.
Amen to that. Fuck Diana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Identity X
I liked her. She was pretty. And nice.
And she gave us Prince William... :drool:
But because you're in America the whole Diana incedent is fairly diluted and you don't have to hear about Diana every few weeks like us in Britain.
Not my most controversial view... but I can see into my neighbours bedroom.
It's certainly a view...Quote:
Originally Posted by CoLd BlooDed
Well, heres anew one.
the majority of people in the world would be better off dead.
I think I can safely say that I agree with this. Skysaw, Burns, did you know that it is in fact against the Constitution to have to have a driver's license in the first place? And where the hell did our right to bear arms drift off to? Now you have to go through ten days of "cooling off period," a stack of paperwork, and a huge hassle to even purchase a gun, much less carry it! Gun laws and knife laws are just plain un-Constitutional. Taxes are, too, for that matter. Taxes are, according to the U.S. Constitution, supposed to be implemented only in times of war, when they are needed to fund the military. And being forced to have a permit to carry a handgun? What the hell? That's what the Constitution is for! It gives me, you or any other adult in the United States of America the Right To Bear Arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaught
And now they've banned prayer from schools. What happened to "One Nation Under God"? Freedom of religion shouldn't interfere with freedom of speech. I have much more to say, but this not a rant topic, so I"ll just stop now. Sorry for the rant, I get riled at things like this sometimes. Don't get me started on Al Gore...
Er... no. You might want to read it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man of Steel
See how controversial this view is?
No, that gives you the right to wear the arms of a bear, not to have weapons. Duh.
On a completely unrelated note, only because I just actually really noticed it, and yes, I realize this is the wrong thread, but what the hell. Lucky Dog's nose wiggles. I had been wondering what was catching my eye then not being there when I looked at your avatar, pj. I just didn't expect the animation...
Carry on, now.
God, I thought it was just me and that I was losing it. :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Man of Steel
Thanx MoS. Confidence in my sanity restored.
For now.
the right to bear arms? what if you can't bear to bear bear arms?Quote:
Originally Posted by ataraxis
Here's another of mine: rapists should be castrated.
I figured that was a given. :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by dodobird
Men are smarter than women.
..also 'work' needs to be abolishedQuote:
women who want to be equal to men lack ambition.
You're obviously the exception to that rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by LdMichael
:D
Its because of their position, they are quite upstanding people in their community and have a lot of money - so this is why the fuss is being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker
I am one of 9 in a very loving family - I disagree with your controversial view, but then that's what this thread is for lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by skysaw
[rant]I hate sponging free loaders who flood this country illegally, then get given houses, which are paid for out of my taxes, they get benefits from my taxes and free healthcare from my taxes, they should be put to work, even if it is community service like cleaning streets or something, and it ddoesn't just have to be illegal immigrants, lazy dole scum who choose not to work because they are too fucking lazy to do so, who get hand outs from the government should also be FORCED to work, or kicked out the country! We need to clean up this country!!![/rant]
Amen to that. The same goes for here in America. The government is not our Mothers or nannies. I'm tired of having to earn my living while the lazy moochers get it all handed to them. I don't want hand-outs; I want others to earn their keep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
-Women, on average, seem less intelligent, and more emotionally unstable, than men, in general.
-99% of people are stupid.
-Human existence has no value what so ever, except it intrinsic value.
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-People need to stop whining about small time problems, like immigrants, are worse than way worse shit that's going on in the world.
I'm sick of hearing about Princess Diana on the news, yeah it not nice that she died but there just over doing it and its starting to annoy me, they have like these montages with cheesy music in the background. She's dead, why dwell on something that happened 10 years ago, i bet i won't get a tenth anniversary day 10 years after my death. Its ridiculous.
I could have seen SEVEN programs on Diana on TV today. In one day. Seven! BBC and ITV were showing the same program at the same time.
I think the people who post in Beyond Dreaming sometimes make claims that seem a little strange.
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**** Just my opinion ^______^ ****
So very correct. Yes, she's gone. Yes, it was a tragic event. Yes, she will be missed. Now let her rest in peace. And while you're at it, let the rest of the world take a break from it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker
And I saw three magazines in the supermarket checkout line today featuring her on the cover. One was a whole "collectors edition" magazine about her life in her last two decades. (All while standing in back of a lady who was bleed from her arm all over the place. What a mess, that off-topic scenario was. It's a good thing there was a roll of paper towels nearby and the manager was kind enough to serve up the first aid kit.)Quote:
Originally Posted by goldney
A little strange?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark75
Hey man, I am a vampire!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gh
My most controversial view would probably be that a human being who molested and killed a child (or did something similar) keeps his intrinsic human value and has not only a right to live but also a right to psychiatric help. I also believe that this person should be forgiven if he changes, and in that case, should be given the right to live happily and peacefully after reintegration into society, with no time spent behind bars *just so that he would be behind bars*. His psychological constitution when he committed the crime aren't relevant for whether he deserves treatment or not.
It is kind of idealistic, but there are enough people out there who would lock up a child-molester lifelong even if there was a 100% foolproof way to change him to the better. And to me that would be inhuman. So this is only my theoretical opinion... I don't actually have the practical side covered.
PS I also believe that a mass-murderer and a terrorist do not deserve death or pointless imprisonment, but treatment, independent of whether they can be deemed psychologically sane or not.
Wow, Korittke. I'm not going to argue you here but, let's just say that you've peaked my controversy meter way about the red. In fact, that's so crazy and backwards that you may have just earned a gold medal for being on the wrong side of a controversial topic. Congratulations :clap:
men are horn dogs
Asians cant drive
"christians" are hyprocrites
No man-made government will ever work
"no man-made government will ever work"
Is this an anarchist view, a feminist view, or an ANIMAL POWER view?
I agree with this. Some governments can work out for a while, but it will come crashing down eventually. But, without government, it could be even worse. So, what's a better way?Quote:
Originally Posted by wasup
I have a pretty good argument against the death penalty, actually. If I make a seperate topic on it, will you join the discussion? I don't want to write everything out if no one is going to care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaught
Interesting...
This thread started out a little bit tame but it's got quite controversial now.
The title matches the content. Good
Ahh, more controversy. If you feel the urge go right ahead. I'm sure I'll find my way there. Wait, I'm trying to avoid too much arguing and controversy around here. Then again, you and I have been known to "discuss" things before so, what the heck.Quote:
Originally Posted by ethen
neither. Its just the truth. What government have ever brought about lasting peace or satisfying conditions? No such thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by wasup
I didn't say that, the other guy did and I was just quoting.Quote:
Originally Posted by LdMichael
It has to be one of those... and obviously the above quote shows it's an anarchist view. What I said was mostly a joke (as in, no man-made government ever works, thus, animal power. or man as in literally, a man. so therefore, feminist). However, you have to consider here, what DOES work. Anarchy is the only alternative to having a man-made government (btw, why say man-made government? who else makes a government? what I said was making fun of you... do you mean woman made or animal made, instead?), and personally I believe anarchy would create much worse circumstances than we are in now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonewolf
Basically...
Government isn't about making a great system for the people but rather it is the "best of all the evils" in which humanity can live.
Not everyone here is as nice as I once though....
this is basically what i meant...Quote:
Originally Posted by wasup
i believe in a future theocracy to replace man's governments
I believe that God causes evil intentionally.
Don't spay or castrate your pet!!!
Why is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamneth-25
Burns could tell you for hours probably on why this is a silly view.
I'm a decent person and I'm usually (99% of the time) against prejudice, but living where I live, I can't help but have a nagging doubt about black people in my area. Black people internationally I'm Ok with, but black people locally I really really hate. Black people living near me (I know I'm generalising here, but bear with me) are total bastards. A white person can't walk through an area near my housing estate without being asked "what I'm doing here" or making eye contact with some black kid without someone starting a fight. Racial tension in communities like mine annoys me more than anything else.
Why should skin colour affect how we treat each other? People having different races is simply the result of evolution. Why should anyone treat anyone else differently because of the location their family has lived in for the last 1000 generations? It just doesn't make sense and pisses me off to no end. Why should I have to avoid making eye contact with any black people in my area just because I'm white?
Silly, no actually it causes numerous health problems. Conventional veterinary medicine touts the idea that it reduces mammary tumors and eliminates testicular cancer (yeah guess so if the balls aren't there anymore). In fact, both procedures increase the overall risk of cancer among endocrine disorders. Most pets loose significant muscle mass and tone, they also loose a lot of their drive for work (or play in pets).Quote:
Originally Posted by wasup
If done before maturity (and most of the time it is) it affects their growth and contributes to bad stifles and hip displacia (because certain bones grown longer than normal altering the gait.) It also GREATLY increases the risk of bone cancer in large breed dogs. It also increases the likelihood (the earlier done the worse) of hyper-sexual behaviors. Yep you read it right, HYPER-SEXUAL behavior...esp in females. Not only that but aggression problems as well as incontinence and submissive urination.
Just like us, their bodies are designed to function properly with their natural sex hormones even before puberty. Just like women who have had ovarie-hysterectomies (sp?) our pets suffer as well. If you must have your pet neutered to control mating and other bad behaviors then you really shouldn't have one. You are responsible for everything it does including mating, biting, barking, marking etc. Nothing beats training, excersize and supervision for behavioral problems. I'm sure this will fall somewhere outside of narrow minds oh well...its just what I have learned from being a pet care professiona, research and from my own canine friends anyway.
:clap::bravo: You took the words right out of my mouth! Ironicly, my ancestors were likely more abused than their ancestors...at least they were fed, clothed and housed so they could be productive, Irish immigrants were used and abused then easily replaced my newcomers when they died, gave up whatever. Regardless, this is now slavery and segregation is abolished so why can't there just be peace?Quote:
Originally Posted by badassbob
I realise I've not done much in the way of giving my own controversial views,
but I just wanted to say that I think this thread is really cool.
I don't know about the U.S. and the rest of the Western world but in the U.K. political correctness is suffocating!
It's taken two years of me living outside the country to realise how bad it is.
People are so damned brainwashed.
I believe it is falsehood and sentimentality grown to tyrranical proportions.
I HATE political correctness - especially the kind that attempts to mis-interpret or change history.
It's nice to be able to see what people really think for once without fear that someone is going to jump on their case and call them a racist or a bigot or something else.
Down with P.C.ness!!!
Up with controversial views!!!
My most controversial views I have posted on this site have been my support for the war in Iraq, my lack of belief in God, and the fact that I don't think Bush is incorrect and acting with pure evil 100% of the time. Another controversial view I have, which has not been controversial here, is that I think all drugs should be legal. I also think my national anthem sounds like shit and that stadiums full of people singing it are annoying. I refuse to join in when people are singing it, and I refuse to say the Pledge of Allegience because I don't talk to flags like they are gods. I don't even talk to flags at all.
I share those views as well. The war is being fought for a very good reason, and that reason is neither oil nor a p!ssing contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
I had the most interesting conversation with a flag at last night's tea party...Quote:
...I don't even talk to flags at all.
I also feel that Hilary, Obama, or any other crazy Liberal Democrat has no place making decisions that affect our country or the way we related to other nations: Period.
And, I also completely share Alban's detest for political correctness. PC be damned. It truly is the single most dangerous movement the modern world faces and most people in the world don't even realise it.
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Originally Posted by Alban
Why thankyou,
ahar.
I agree with all of this 100%, except that all drugs should be legal. Crack, meth, and heroin are just about the only ones that should stay illegal. Two drugs that should become illegal are oxycodone and oxymorphone. Believe me I've tried all these, and they can be fun, but most people just cant do them responsibly or without getting addicted. Lost a lot friends that were good people to these drugs. But all your other views are dead on sounding like me, kinda funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
i think that mankind should be wiped from the face of the earth. also i believe that all drugs should be made legal (heroin rocks!)
Okay, what is the point of having drugs legal if there is no mankind.
What is the point of having mankind legal if there are no drugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by wasup
What is the point of drugging mankind if there are no laws?
What is the kind man of drugging the law if there are no points?
The LAW?!
I am high on the LAW!
I think that mankind in general needs to start controlling the population now.
It is a scientific fact that we are running out of resources. We are developing land at such a fast rate that there is so little untouched wildlife. Why is the human animal so special that we should take over the entier earth. We should be ashamed of ourselves for having already put so many animals into extinction.
If every woman is strickly forbidden from having more than two children then we could keep the population from growing before it gets completely out of control. All it would take would be getting thier tubes tied after their second birth.
I further beleive that if for some reason a couple is unable to concieve they should go the route of adoption. There are so many children out there that need a good home so why go the route of fertility medicine? Similarly, if you feel strongly that you want a large family than you should adopt children in need rather than spit out more and more kids.
May I just ask what information has developed your world-view? That is all I am asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Like where do you get your news ect.
There are two ways I can make my way of thought the only way of thought.
1. Dominate the earth and grow the people's minds in the shape I want.
2. Kill everyone else.
#2 is the backup plan.
can I halp you?
BTW Universal Mind, I feel the same way. Except, of course what you said about our national anthem.
People just don't get Bush. They don't seem to look at the big picture and toward the future. His decisions aren't all bad.
Really? Do you look at the big picture of governmental power, national debt, a strung out military, weaker borders and a weaker national defense as "not all bad" Not to mention our economy is crashing and the dollar hit a new low this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by CymekSniper
The only thing good people said he has done is donate more money to aids relief, but once you look into that "aids relief" is just a coverup, their aids relief is part of their "war on terror" and they use to spread democracy. This isn't some "liberal view" I am striving towards traditional conservatism, george bush is NOT a conservative at all, and the war in Iraq has caused more problems for us than helped us. There was no Al Qeada in Iraq before we went in.
I am just curious as to the good you see him as doing?
I have been pondering putting this to words.
As I read the members controversial posts I realize, yaa. I can relate to many.
As the civil liberties would be in question, I have pondered a way to create a form of population control.
It seems like a no brainer to me. Dwindling resources and too many people equals a problem.
Is it that hard to swallow the notion of limiting our offspring. Is three children not enough?
Now, I'm not going to get into yet another internet debate (I hate those) but I will say that this is a perfect example of what I said in the post you replied to. You just simply aren't taking every factor into consideration and if you did, you would realize why some of the points you just made are invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
I love the part of the matrix movie when agent smith explains to neo that we as a human race are like a virus that has infected the earth. I'm trying to look it up now - I wanna get the exact quote. . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
I don't like stupid people. I find them exasperating.
Think about how stupid the average person it. Now imagine how 50% of people are stupider than that... OMGQuote:
Originally Posted by goldney
I exaggerated a bit, but I do believe we should blow the whole middle east off the face of the earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaught
This is exaggerating a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
One of my most controversial views is that a lot of stereotypes are true.
Black people can jump high.
White people can't dance
Jewish people like bagels
Chinese people are good at math and science
People from the South are stupid
I believe that discrimination is necessary for public security, no matter how politically incorrect it is.
I believe that freedom of speech is overrated and abused.
I believe that the vast majority of the human population is dumber than me.
I believe in communism and its ideals.
I believe that humanity is stupid because it will never be able to make it work on a large scale.
And a few other nastier ones too that I'll keep to myself...
To add on that:Quote:
Originally Posted by wasup
-All black people that arent gay are wannabe gangsters
-Black people are best at every sport, except swimming.
-White people do the weirdest things... rape/serial killers/suicide....
-All asians are good at math, not just chinese
-All british people are ugly
-All preppy people are assholes
-All gothic people are anti-social/fuckin weird
-Black people have big noses and lips, unless they are half breeds.
-Cops are lazy fat bastards
-Americans are the best
-Jews are greedy and also have big noses
-Girls aren't funny
-America is the best at everything
-Japanese are sneaky bastards
-Mexicans all smoke weed hahaha and drive with 20 people in the car.
-Germans are always so serious
-Canadians leave their doors unlocked.
-Gay guys wanna be girls
all those are true for the most part but theres exceptions. except all british people really are ugly hahaahahahahhaa
Except for 1% of their women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
HahahaQuote:
-Americans are the best
Hahahahahaha :rolllaugh:Quote:
-America is the best at everything
I believe that in the future the distinction between state and corporation will become less and less defined because in the end, the money rules. This always reminds me of a Mussolini quote.
“Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.”
I believe the entire planet is in a critical state, including our own race. We're about to reach the sun and our wings are melting. Sometimes I walk around the city and I wonder what it would all look like 10 years after the last human had died. I saw plants growing all over the concrete buildings, and in a way it was beautiful.
Of course, that's only in my dark moods.
NO, I am interested into seeing your factor. Because I used to be an ultra neo-conservative and support bush and the war whole heatedly. but once I started looked at facts and REALLY looking into it I saw support of such an atrocity as un-patriotic and blind. So I am curious as to what compelling evidence you have backed with historical, political and factual support that this war has ANYTHING to do with our interests. Because when I look at the facts I don't see anything that supports your view. So seriously, provide me with something that can convince me otherwise. Convince me that thousands of our soldiers and innocent Iraqi citizens deaths are worth it, otherwise I am forced to be bitterly opposed to it and do everything I can to restore interest in the American people, our safety and our liberty. Just saying the things I stated are "not true" aren't going to cut and I need some solid evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by CymekSniper
Sorry if I am more passionate than I usually would be on such topic, 5-6 beers might blur my political correctness on some matters. But I find this acceptance of a force-fed view provided by the media (especially fox news) as so blindly informed to the point of believe]ing pathological liars and dismissing documented, and proved facts.
Now, before you get me wrong, I am no conspiracy theorist, Alex Jones worshipping idiot. I just feel that the Bush administration fails to look at history and the reality of the situation to properly protect and progress the American situation. I feel they are corrupt and ignorant morons.
But I can assure you, I want every bit as much as you do to see the right people brought to justice and the American people defended. I just don't see how anything they have done has accomplished any of this.
I will answer your question, but I don't want this turning into an Iraq thread. We have plenty of those in Extended Discussion, so please take this conversation there if you want to respond. Just make sure you read what I have already written in the given thread first.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
No matter what you say about Iraq, you cannot deny that certain good things have resulted from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Tons of people who have it in them to die in the name of fighting against democracy, which is a major Al Qaeda stand, have been killed or captured. I think that is one of the unspoken goals in our war. Iraq and Afghanistan have democratic governments and therefore a shot at a future of democracy, which they never would have had under the horribly oppressive regimes they lived under just a few years ago. A large democracy in the heart of the Middle East, with its influence toward the spreading of democracy in the area, is a great long term plan against the suicide bomber mentality. The suicide killer mentality generally comes from poverty and hoplessness. With democracy comes large scale success, which is a great weapon against Islamofascism. Bush has shown that there is a huge price to pay for pulling domestic attacks on the United States. Two Islamofascist governments were overthrown in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. That is an excellent deterrent. Also, under Bush, there have been no more domestic terrorist attacks since 9/11. You should applaud that. He also gave us a piss ant tax cut a few years ago, and that was better than nothing.
But any way, my point was that Bush is not acting out of evil in everything he does. It is amusing how even that point pisses a lot of people off, but it is true. I still disagree with Bush on a lot of things. You mentioned the border, and that is a huge one. I am a million miles from agreeing with him on social issues.
Apologies, I don't even understand how that post came out as coherent because I was soooo drunk when I did that.
Anyways, I will look for the extend discussion because I obviously have stuff to say as well as you do.
*thread hijack ended*
Hell no! I'm getting out of this one early.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaasum
Human beings are not, never have been and never will be born free and equal.
Any society that purports to uphold this as a self-evident truth is lying to itself.
No society has ever been a society of equals and any society that tries to be such will fail.
Got to be a sign of maturity: 4 pages on this topic without degenerating into flamewar.
Um...
I wear an anti-MS, pro-Free Software badge, but right now I can't think of anything controversial I feel really zealous about, which is sad. So heres my metaphysics and philosophy, which is unusual enough to make up for lack of zeal. It's highly unoriginal but not very wide spread.
Ia) Maths is universal. If 2+2=5 then it's because you assign different meanings to the symbols I use. Symbols are just that: conventions for communication. The actual math is the same for the fish-eyed zombies in the dimension next door.
Ib) Math has meaning in and of itself. If you have a set of rules for manipulating symbols which allow you to add two numbers, then that set of rules [b]is[/i] addition. It doesn't matter that you have to convert your idea of a number, in all it's platonic abstractness, into a sequence of digits before the rules can work, or that you have to do the reverse and interpret the answer
2a) We are math. The universe runs on a set of rules, and it can all be boiled down to maths - This Means You. The entire universe could be simulated on a sufficiently large enough computer. A turing machine could do it. A finite state machine could do the interesting bits; it might not be able to cope with an indefinitely expanding universe, but if our universe ends up continually expanding, there'll still be a finite amount of matter and energy so it'll end up very cold and very boring anyway. If quantumn mechanics really is significant, it would slow down a classical computer simulation but it would still work, and theres nothing non-mathematical about the quantum computer than could run it at full speed.
2b) Our universe only real because we are in it. The simulated universe would seem just as real; we may well be in it. You can simulate other universes by choosing different rules and starting conditions, and they would be just as real. They *are* just as real, they "exist" outside of simulations in our universe, just as much as our universe "exists".
This is controversial because it completely denies spirituality. Spiritual ideas come naturally and are widely held as self evident. Ironically, ideas about meaning: that the world has an all pervasive meaning in which we are central, that it was created by intelligence, that who you are has a meaning beyond your body and lifetime, that what you do has an absolute moral meaning (good or bad) that derives from these sources.
I could go on. Suffice it to say that I believe you're limiting yourself if you think your life is just a dream in a greater reality. Ideas stolen from GEB, author Douglas Hofstadter; if they're mangled somewhat then the fault is purely my own.
Heres another controversial view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alban
Equality of outcomes is impossible. Equality of opportunity though, is surely a noble goal; it's otherwise known as fairness. As the saying goes, lifes not fair. The unwritten rejoinder is that doesn't mean we can't make it fairer. Absolutes corrupt; absolute self-interest would be evil just as absolute equality would be evil.
Any individual that tries to apply a single absolute principle is lying to themself. They have the ability to see the other side and they have supressed it. If their society stresses particular absolutes to a dangerous degree, they may apply opposing absolutes to reduce the danger, but they should not blind themselves to the dangers of their own absolutes.
This post courtesy of Frank Herbert.
Not sure what my most controversial view is, but I have been called a nazi for this one, so I'm sure its up there on the list.
I want to create a closed society of elite humans. Entrance to this society will involve genetic, intelligence, personality, and aesthetic testing to insure that only the most highly evolved human genetic strains are accepted. The purpose of this society will be to close breeding to within its ranks and to exclude inferior genetic material in order to create a more efficient and segregated gene pool for faster genetic purification. This will allow for a new species branch from the standard homo sapiens and eventually will lead to a superior race of humans.
Good idea, but I my controversial view is that genetic engineering and biotechnological enhancement will make such a closed society moot, and will do so within twenty years.
The problem with relying solely on genetic engineering is that once you have the science down, the only improvements you can make are ones that you can imagine. The natural system of genetic enhancement (mutation and natural selection) allows for random, unthought-of combinations that may surpass anything that we would think to target on our own.Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D.735
Also, I think 20 years is being a bit over-confident. Even if this sort of thing was possible within 20 years, it would only be available to the incredibly rich, and therefore would create an elitist society based entirely on money; which in my opinion is not exactly the prime of the species currently. Also, my society allows for a more communal child rearing tactic that is communistic within the society but capitolistic in the way it deals with the outside world.
We're obviously doing something wrong then.Quote:
Originally Posted by sourcejedi
Perhaps the most intelligent and thought-provoking book ever written by a Human Being.Quote:
...from GEB, author Douglas Hofstadter; if they're mangled somewhat then the fault is purely my own.
People are so different in beliefs and actions that everything is subjective.
The human mind has an inate capability to empathise with others. Despite circumstances which place lump us together in disparate groups, the diferences between us are minimal. There is no such thing as race. We are all searching for meaning, whether we use the words of Jesus or (pained smile) Dawkins.
Oh, and no-one would claim that they'd swerve to avoid runing a cat over if it means hitting a pedestrian instead (I'm just remembering the last argument on absolute morality I took part in here :-)).
In not so many words, yes, I suppose that's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by sourcejedi
agriculture was human kinds' biggest mistake.
People are very stupid. Our thoughts are distorted.
Those that think that they are an exception to the rule, are the most stupid.
Those that understand that they are stupid, are right.
Sometimes people come up with ideas that look clever. Most of these ideas are stupid, but the ones that really are clever had been gained not because of our cleverness, but in spite of our stupidity.
Damn, I'm a f*cking idiot :(Quote:
Originally Posted by dodobird
There there, we are all in the same boatQuote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaught
I think that environmental/overpopulation are the gravest ones facing the world.. as they will effect the most number of people over time and are the hardest to change.
Don't insult me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodobird
I think all children should all be in jail because I'm sure they all did something to deserve it.
I think all adults should be in jail for spawning such stupid f**ktards...