Wilding With Marijuana?

[The Wig]

Now, I'm not sure if anyone has posted this before, so yell at me if so. Oh yeah: If you don't live in a country that has legalized cannabis, don't do this blah blah disclaimer. Anyway, I know the general consensus is that marijuana hinders dreaming, and I've experienced this myself. I've always wondered why, it seemed weird to me. Probably something to do with short term memory. Anyway. Just today I was going in for a nap, and decided to smoke out directly before napping. Everyone who smokes knows sleeping while high rules. So I'm sitting there, and I decide to try a WILD despite weed hindering dreaming. I figured it couldn't hurt much. After about ten minutes I felt my body become tingly and I realized I was beginning to enter sleep paralysis at this point, which is wonderful because it's difficult as hell to do that. After it seemed like I was hearing auditory hallucinations, I started moving. The problem was of course that doing a WILD is scary enough sober, but while high it's damn near frightening. My point is, I think cannabis may be a viable option to get into a WILD. It's 100% easier to relax while high and not move, your mind is much more soothed, etc. So I hypothesize that if I were to somehow be able to get over my fear of it and go into sleep paralysis (which I got 95% there today within a matter of minutes, and I could repeatedly do so every time I got up or moved) I would be able to enter a lucid dream. I believe that I would be able to do this and remember the dream simply because I'm passing from one consciousness to another and am totally lucid on both sides. Anyway, does anyone have any comments or ideas on this or be willing to contact me through AIM or something and discuss ideas and testing it, etc? I'd love to hear other people's ideas.

[WindsOfPlague]

I believe it depends on the person. I love smoking before I goto bed. It clears my mind, and reminds me that the last smoke of the night = sleep You should if you havent already, check out the hemi-sync series. I have had the best results of sleep paralysis while listening to the series high.

[Dirtbiker_CRF]

Drugs = Stupid in my eyes/not for me, srry.

[The Wig]

Drugs = Stupid in my eyes/not for me, srry.[/b] I certainly don't mean to go off-topic here like you did, but if you don't want to participate in the discussion then I would sure appreciate it if you didn't post in the thread at all. I understand that drugs are not for all people, and this post as such was geared to those who smoke.

[Blueman18]

Drugs = Stupid in my eyes/not for me, srry.[/b] drugs are for cool people not dorks

[Zaltoa]

Drug is a harsh term to use when speaking of marijuana, it's virutally harmless.

[LucidAlex]

drugs are for cool people not dorks[/b] That is a pretty ridiculous thing to say, blueman.

[Arachanox]

Drug is a harsh term to use when speaking of marijuana, it's virutally harmless.[/b] 'Virtually harmless'? ...Never mind.

[The Wig]

'Virtually harmless'? ...Never mind.[/b] Can we try not use this thread to discuss the pros and cons of marijuana? I never mentioned and don't care to discuss it. If you don't have something to add to the original discussion, don't reply.

[SKA]

Wow. Ethical Knights around here. Very cool. But it's offtopic to discuss ethics: If you have something against Marijuana than CLEARLY this Topic isn't for you. Leave it and save us your Subjective opinion. This Topic is very good and I see how it can contribute to Inducing Lucidity. I have thought of this myself. I have a topic about it and it should be around on this board somewhere. Marijuana + WBTB its called I think. I wanna experiment with you. Still got enough weed aroiund here and good stuff too; White widow. I'll save some for tonight or do you mean in the morning uppon awakening and before going back to sleep?

[The Wig]

Wow. Ethical Knights around here. Very cool. But it's offtopic to discuss ethics: If you have something against Marijuana than CLEARLY this Topic isn't for you. Leave it and save us your Subjective opinion. This Topic is very good and I see how it can contribute to Inducing Lucidity. I have thought of this myself. I have a topic about it and it should be around on this board somewhere. Marijuana + WBTB its called I think. I wanna experiment with you. Still got enough weed aroiund here and good stuff too; White widow. I'll save some for tonight or do you mean in the morning uppon awakening and before going back to sleep?[/b] I'm in the USA, and I see it says you're from Netherlands? Anyway, get a hold of me on AIM at: nwig or on MSN at: [email protected] Or PM me your name or whatever. Anyway, it's night right now. I'm going to bed in an hour maybe, and once I get out of class tomorrow at 10AM, I'm going to try a WILD.

[TripleX223]

Drugs = Stupid in my eyes/not for me, srry.[/b] argreed, and marijuanna is not harmless. although its based as herbal, its being laced without the customer even knowing. also marijuanna is 10 x more powerfull today than it was 10 years ago. most addicts of drugs thing they can stop at any time. the question is "Can You?"

[EVIL JOE]

argreed, and marijuanna is not harmless. although its based as herbal, its being laced without the customer even knowing. also marijuanna is 10 x more powerfull today than it was 10 years ago. most addicts of drugs thing they can stop at any time. the question is "Can You?"[/b] Not to get off topic or anything, but I did a paper on marijuana not to long ago and read that the marijuana they tested back in the day was very weak stuff. Not because marijuana wasn't as potent back then, but because the stuff that the people that tested it got was just very low quality.

[The Wig]

argreed, and marijuanna is not harmless. although its based as herbal, its being laced without the customer even knowing. also marijuanna is 10 x more powerfull today than it was 10 years ago. most addicts of drugs thing they can stop at any time. the question is "Can You?"[/b] I really didn't want to get into the ethics of marijuana, but you've kind of forced me to by spreading blatant lies. Do you even research your facts? Weed is not laced. Why? It's not cost beneficial. Why would a dealer lace their weed with coke and sell it to the customer and then take a huge loss? They wouldn't. The only weed that gets laced is the weed that you know is laced and that you wanted lace. That's it. And you pay for it by the price going up, too. As for marijuana being more powerful today than yesteryears: And? It's just that the breeding techniques have developed. All it means is that all the benefits of marijuana (health included. Yes I said health benefits) go up. More THC means less carcinogens and a cleaner high. As for "addicts" of marijuana being able to stop, most are able to stop. It's not hard. It's on par with stopping drinking soda, although a lot easier. Sure, you may be irritable the first day or so, but the same happens with soda and caffeine. NOW CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC?

[Zaltoa]

argreed, and marijuanna is not harmless. although its based as herbal, its being laced without the customer even knowing. also marijuanna is 10 x more powerfull today than it was 10 years ago. most addicts of drugs thing they can stop at any time. the question is "Can You?"[/b] I used to be stoned for at least 14 hours out of my day for months on end awhile ago and then I went cold turkey for a month to drop my tolerance and now I only do it once n' awhile. So yes I can quit whenever I want. It's not addicting. And BTW I've never been given laced weed ever. This thread is to discuss the use of it for WILDing and if you have nothing to contribute but just rant on about how you think it is bad then just leave.

[SephTheG]

Apparently This thread has turned from a simple Wilding with Marijuana into the effects of Marijuana on Life, well now we know what keywords to leave outta the topic if we want some serious answers. As for the main topic, It sounds like something worth researching.

[Kaya]

Hi, I'm new here! It's my first post!! Hello!!! It's just very interesting to see how many outraged responses The Wig has received for his initial post regarding this ‘Naturally Grown Plant’!!! Now, while I agree that ‘smoking the herb’ has its down falls in various ways, but Herb has been around longer than man discovered the process of making alcohol, remember that herb is a ‘Natural Plant’ so God must have put it here for a purpose including smoking it!!! He surely would have (must have), known that we would do that!!!! I would just like to say, my cousin suffered a nearly Total Nervous Breakdown a few years ago, and I suspect that this was brought on by smoking Herb but, having said that I believe it totally depends on your circumstances in life and your overall psychological makeup. I know a few peeps that are pretty psycho once they’ve had a few cans!! I have smoked before, on and off, sometimes constantly for days and still do, but I do not believe that it makes you “Stupid” as Dirtbiker_CRF would say. This is an Ancient Plant we are talking about here, is mankind stupid? Ok, don’t answer that! But I mean, is mankind stupid overall as a species? Well, maybe, but it’s not because of weed, just do some research and you will see why we are like what we are! Anyway, the point of this way longer than anticipated post? I am just trying to say to just have some tolerance of other people’s ways and not jump down their throats because of what they may like to do, even if it is against your ethics, it may not be against theirs. Kaya

[ClouDHigH]

i am interested in this theory too. i have bouts when i wake up at like 8 am, go back to sleep and have crazy dreams that seem like they are days long. then ill wake up every hour and a half without an alarm clock(i dont know how i do it) just to go back to sleep to have a very prolonged dream. and if i smoke before sleep, i too achieve sleep paralasys very easy almost effortlessly.although ive never wilded, i will try and see what happens!

[The Wig]

i am interested in this theory too. i have bouts when i wake up at like 8 am, go back to sleep and have crazy dreams that seem like they are days long. then ill wake up every hour and a half without an alarm clock(i dont know how i do it) just to go back to sleep to have a very prolonged dream. and if i smoke before sleep, i too achieve sleep paralasys very easy almost effortlessly.although ive never wilded, i will try and see what happens![/b] Post back with some of your results! I was able to achieve almost full sleep paralysis today. I really need to work on relaxing though because I get too anxious.

[ClouDHigH]

i have the same problem. sometimes when i realize im dreaming after a rc i get too excited and wake myself up. i dont know how to get around it, but it would be nice to overcome cause it happens quite often. will post results though.

[thealchemist]

Love it. Twenty minutes ago, my intention was to smoke, read just a couple posts on this forum, and try to WILD...my usual nightly routine. I love dv, but don't post here often. This was too big of a coincidence. Rest assured, I smoked, brushed my teeth, hopped in bed and grabbed my laptop. On this night I specifically tell myself that I'll read and go RIGHT to bed. The first thread I see is 'Wilding with Marijuana.' Haha perfect! I read TheWig's post and smile - I agree with everything you said. I feel like smoking does sometimes tamper with memory/recall but sleeping and dreaming high rules. It does put me a clearer state of mind and I've been able to slip into SP faster. There's research to be done here. I laugh to myself and continue reading. As soon as I see DirtBiker's post, I think "well, this is now going to turn into the MJ ethics discussion." I read the next several posts...I am highly entertained (thank you.) Seph, Zaltoa, you are wise. Half hour later and I'm awake typing (are you dreaming?). But I am extremely interested in this topic, so let's keep the thread going, and devoid of pointless disputation please. time for this ethical knight to attempt wild, I'll post my results here. -the alchemist

[PNG_pyro]

Well, if it does affect your memory, then even if you did manage WILD, would you be able to remeber it?

[Dragos Dreamer]

Well, if it does affect your memory, then even if you did manage WILD, would you be able to remeber it?[/b] Yes, you would. Personally, I think marijuana affects your attention more than your actual short term memory. When I'm high, I have no problem remembering the things I was focused on while I was high. However, I usually "zone in" when I'm high(most people say you "zone out" when you're high, but I see it as the exact opposite. Meaning, I become single-minded and "zone in" on whatever it is I'm doing, while paying no heed to whatever's going on around me), so I really, really get into what I'm doing, and have a very clear memory of what I did. BUT. Anything that happens around me is very difficult to remember because my interest and attention were totally directed somewhere else. Example: I'm playing Diablo 2, high, so I'm completely zoned in on the game. Then, my brother comes into my room and tells me that he wants to get on the computer when I'm finished with what I'm doing. Well, I'll say "Ok, hold on", but several minutes later, he'll have to come back because I might have zoned in on the game again and forgot that he ever came in my room. The point is, it's not that you can't remember if you tried, but whether or not you are interested enough in it to remember.

[The Wig]

Well, if it does affect your memory, then even if you did manage WILD, would you be able to remeber it?[/b] Oh, for sure. I mean, regular dreams are hard as hell to remember anyway right? So with added effect of marijuana, it's gonna be damn near impossible. But that's only regular dreams. If you were to pass from aware high in reality to aware high to a dream, then I believe it would be easy to remember your dream since you never fell asleep (technically I guess) and because you're aware, whereas in a normal dream you are not.

[MartinB]

I think this is a great thread, apart from a few narrow-minded / naive posters (Dirtbiker_CRF, Arachanox, TripleX223). They're probably just jealous and insecure that they're too conflicted between "drugs being bad" and "missing out on something", so they try to make other people feel bad, whilst continuing to live in delusion. Anyway, I personally don't use marijuana (haven't for six months) because it doesn't really agree with me, but from my past experience with it, I can imagine that the relaxation effects that marijuana produces could be very useful for inducing a WILD. I say this also because I often felt that many of my thought patterns whilst high had distinctive similarities to my thought patterns whilst dreaming.