Wilding With Marijuana?

[The Wig]

Now, I'm not sure if anyone has posted this before, so yell at me if so. Oh yeah: If you don't live in a country that has legalized cannabis, don't do this blah blah disclaimer. Anyway, I know the general consensus is that marijuana hinders dreaming, and I've experienced this myself. I've always wondered why, it seemed weird to me. Probably something to do with short term memory. Anyway. Just today I was going in for a nap, and decided to smoke out directly before napping. Everyone who smokes knows sleeping while high rules. So I'm sitting there, and I decide to try a WILD despite weed hindering dreaming. I figured it couldn't hurt much. After about ten minutes I felt my body become tingly and I realized I was beginning to enter sleep paralysis at this point, which is wonderful because it's difficult as hell to do that. After it seemed like I was hearing auditory hallucinations, I started moving. The problem was of course that doing a WILD is scary enough sober, but while high it's damn near frightening. My point is, I think cannabis may be a viable option to get into a WILD. It's 100% easier to relax while high and not move, your mind is much more soothed, etc. So I hypothesize that if I were to somehow be able to get over my fear of it and go into sleep paralysis (which I got 95% there today within a matter of minutes, and I could repeatedly do so every time I got up or moved) I would be able to enter a lucid dream. I believe that I would be able to do this and remember the dream simply because I'm passing from one consciousness to another and am totally lucid on both sides. Anyway, does anyone have any comments or ideas on this or be willing to contact me through AIM or something and discuss ideas and testing it, etc? I'd love to hear other people's ideas.

[WindsOfPlague]

I believe it depends on the person. I love smoking before I goto bed. It clears my mind, and reminds me that the last smoke of the night = sleep You should if you havent already, check out the hemi-sync series. I have had the best results of sleep paralysis while listening to the series high.

[Dirtbiker_CRF]

Drugs = Stupid in my eyes/not for me, srry.

[The Wig]

Drugs = Stupid in my eyes/not for me, srry.[/b] I certainly don't mean to go off-topic here like you did, but if you don't want to participate in the discussion then I would sure appreciate it if you didn't post in the thread at all. I understand that drugs are not for all people, and this post as such was geared to those who smoke.

[Lowercase Society]

I certainly don't mean to go off-topic here like you did, but if you don't want to participate in the discussion then I would sure appreciate it if you didn't post in the thread at all. I understand that drugs are not for all people, and this post as such was geared to those who smoke.[/b] ...its medicine...seriously...the Government coined it 'drug'...and we ALL know how the government handles things they disagree with...its hard to say we have a good government...

["tomeeka"]

...its medicine...seriously...the Government coined it 'drug'...and we ALL know how the government handles things they disagree with...its hard to say we have a good government...[/b] Preach it! Let me tell you, I've only puffed weed once and the stuff was amazing. I wish I woudn't have been such a p*ss and toke a few more tokes, but I felt bad abt it because of how I was raised and like an idiot I didn't do anymore. Now That I really can't do it I want it more than ever. I absolutely hate alcohol and the way it makes you sick and the beer guts and the killing people blah blah blah. I think the government won't legalize it because they wouldn't be able to make money off of it.We all know that's what it is! Also I think that since it's good for you in so many ways and they have to keep the death toll up to keep from overpopulating earth. LOL I really don't know about the last one. That goes along with the whole thing about the government purposely spread diseases conspiracy I guess, but I don't trust the government at all.It's probably all a conspiracy! Yet I work for them...go figure! What can I say...benefits baby! I'm just so morally torn...

[SKA]

I absolutely hate alcohol and the way it makes you sick and the beer guts and the killing people blah blah blah. I think the government won't legalize it because they wouldn't be able to make money off of it.We all know that's what it is! Also I think that since it's good for you in so many ways and they have to keep the death toll up to keep from overpopulating earth. LOL I really don't know about the last one. That goes along with the whole thing about the government purposely spread diseases conspiracy I guess, but I don't trust the government at all.It's probably all a conspiracy! Yet I work for them...go figure! What can I say...benefits baby! I'm just so morally torn... "They" are the government and would like to keep a tight grip of control over the people.Weed, as other Psychedelics, is "Consciousness expanding" and leads alot of people realising what is important in life, Love, Warmth, understanding and Unity, and what is not. " Psychedelised" peoples look critically at Commercialism, Consumerism and Materialism and the current politics and Authorities of the world as it is these days. They will see the Truth, the essence of what is happening to them, to the rich corporate/political elite and to their tax-money. No wonder they ban Weed in pretty much every country in the world: Can't have a population that complains and looks at you critically if you have bad, authoritairian intent. Alcohol kills alot of people but makes alot of money. But the main reason Alcohol is the Fascist's Favorite substance is not to drink it themselves, but to drown their people in it. Alcohol is a very unintelligent high that NARROWS the consciousness, makes people enjoy foolish pleasures while forgetting all about the great evil being done to them and the mass-conditioning of Human Kind as a sheep hurd following the shepperds down a cliff. Alcohol is just perfect to keep the masses, dumb, devided, agressive and ignorant. Which is EXACTLY why I advise everyone to abandon alcohol and try a Psychedelic "buzz" instead. Just trying to open as many eyes as I can. Alcohol is a sickening Buzz that can only be laughed about foolishly and enjoyed trying to nevermind a stomach seriously protesting. Marijuana is a Spiritual buzz that I can actually enjoy while taking it very Seriously. It is serious pleasure. Not foolish fun. It is also quite an intelligent high, making you think in brand new ways; Closer to yourself, More self-assured and more philosophical/psychological; you mighjt actually learn ALOT about life from insights gained from Psychedelic states of Mind such as those induced by Cannabis.

[Surrealist]

Now... I have some pertinent info to add to this whole discussion, but seeing as how this thread has changed from "users posting relevant info" to "people spreading Government propaganda," I must preface it with this following: I'm an ex-user... but one that didn't quit to "become a better person," or anything like that... I'm one who quit because The Man brought me down. My trek into the wonderful world of "drugs" began when I, for some reason which I can't remember now, began looking online for The Truth behind weed. I instinctively knew that what I had been brought up to believe wasn't the Whole Truth, so I dug deeper. What I found was that most, if not all, of the U.S. propaganda (and yes, it is propaganda) regarding this amazing drug was lies. They were exquisitely woven lies that were designed to produce a mainstream shift in the beliefs of all its citizens. The Internet is a wonderful thing; one that, given enough effort, one can find the ultimate truth about any subject. Just do a Google search on "marijuana myths," and I'm sure that those that are against this drug will find themselves rejecting all the info they find, not because it's false though, but because they simply don't want to accept it. It's not addicting, doesn't significantly impair your driving, doesn't lead to harder drugs, is harmless beyond the fact that anything smoked is harmful, and most important of all: It doesn't make you stupid, and doesn't have any lasting effects after you are not "high" anymore. This is truth... memory effects, and all of its many wonderful facets, leave and don't continue if you stop using. The Government would have you believe that it "kills your brain cells," and all sorts of nonsense... but these are all lies once again. This was proven in a test involving giving monkeys a highly concentrated dose over a very long period. Their brains were all perfectly fine. Don't get me wrong though, there are ultimately two types of people: Those who smoke "stupidly," and those who don't. We that don't don't do stupid things on pot actually respect it... if anything, I acted more sane and collected when I was high than these many months that I have been sober. It didn't make me do irrational things, and I never put it above anything else in my life. -------------------- Now that that's out of the way... on to the actual topic. I started after researching on the Internet and finding all this really useful info, and then I resolved that when it was ever offered to me... I'd do it willingly, without peer-pressure. The first time I ever got faded I had the first out-of-body experience of my life. It wasn't laced (and as already mentioned, you must actually willingly buy laced weed), and the only reason I say that it was an OBE was because I wasn't practicing, and didn't even know about, all this LD and OBE stuff when this happened. It was only after I started trying to have an OBE that I realized I had already had one, on weed! :p Anyways, you know that disorientating feeling you get when you are almost successful at a WILD? Well, I had that same feeling come over me, and persist, for most of my first smoking session. I realized after awhile that I could actually see my body from behind... in the form of a white, buzzing energy. This took the shape of my body... kind of like a wire frame. And looking back now... the white-ish, buzzing energy that I was seeing acted a whole heck of a lot like my astral body does. I found that just by willing the energy to move, my arm moved with it. It's very hard to describe, but I know for a fact that it was my energy body just from my own lucid dreaming experiences. The whole time I was high I was outside and behind my own body... manipulating it from "wherever" I was. I felt disconnected from it, and instinctively knew that I was something "more" than just my body because of it. So, because of all of this, I do believe that weed can facilitate and OBE (an hence a lucid dream if you are on your way to sleep). Now, I don't need the weed-haters coming and saying, "Well, how do you know it was and OBE and not just hallucinations from the drug?" I can say the same thing... "How do you know your OBE was really one, and that you weren't just dreaming it all up?" My question is... if you, being someone who's had an OBE already, goes out and gets face-flat stoned and realizes that it feels, and looks, just like the OBEs you've had, what would you then believe?

[The Wig]

...its medicine...seriously...the Government coined it 'drug'...and we ALL know how the government handles things they disagree with...its hard to say we have a good government... Get over yourself. It's a goddam drug. Medicine by definition is a drug. Any kind.

[Surrealist]

Get over yourself. It's a goddam drug. Medicine by definition is a drug. Any kind. Yes... you're right. I'm not defending him by any means, but what I think he was getting at is that they use 'drug' as a derogatory term... hence his use of quotes around drug.

[Xaqaria]

Didn't read through everything so forgive me if I repeat. weed effects everyone slightly differently and for me it seems to have an opposite effect from the norm. Its a focusing drug for me; after smoking I can sit down and paint for hours, clean my whole apartment, etc. It helps a bunch with dreaming in general since it seems that even when I'm not lucid my dreams are still much more vivid but it helps with WILDs in particular because my main problem with getting in to a WILD is that my mind will often drift when I get in to that half asleep stage and I'll forget what I was trying to do and just drift off in to natural sleep. With weed I can usually stay focused a lot easier during this stage and have a much better time with it. I realize that for a lot of people it leaves the attention span in utter ruin and so would have the opposite effect, so I don't know if this answers your question, but it helps for at least some people.

[lucyloo]

That said, alcohol causes untold harm in society. Way worse than marijuana, I'd guess. I think marijuana, like any other substance, can be used responsibly. Going off topic, here. Sorry. Whatever. So can alcohol--it's not worse than marijuana. Have you ever heard of a functional alcoholic? So, it can kill your liver, big fuckin' deal? We all die at some point, right? Alcohol, in my case, IS used responsibly. Please, don't give me statistics and crap about how alcohol is bad for you. I know it all, and it's my choice. And I've been drinking for YEARS, have a great life, wonderful children, and an awesome career. Don't lecture me about alcohol. Please. Save it for the twelve year old child whose parents beat him. Sad. As far as drug use, don't judge people, let them do whatever the hell they want...it's their life, it's their choice. Lay off... If it helps you to have lucid dreams, go for it...

[Swikity]

...its medicine...seriously...the Government coined it 'drug'...and we ALL know how the government handles things they disagree with...its hard to say we have a good government... You know why it's illegal? Its because the Mexican slaves used to use it on the job to heal the pain. Same with Opium-Chinese. Same with Cocaine-African American. Same with almost every other drug. Why do you think drugs such as Saliva, Nitrous, etc is legal? People may think that Nitrous isn't a drug, but that was the main purpose for it before people realized that it could burn. Know that gas that they give you at the dentist? Thats nitrous.

[thealchemist]

agreed let's keep this thread for research shall we? the weed debate is important but, maybe move it to another thread/forum?

[Lowercase Society]

this seems like an endless argument...that will have no peace... Is there any way to pull it back to Lucid dreaming, without the ethics?? Some people blaze, some people dont... who cares...as long as you do no harm to anyone else... It is true though, its harder to LD while stoned...but when i am stoned and have dreams..they are so amazing...intense/artistic/creative... Oh and referring to The Wigs response to "get over myself"...well...im not over ly cocky or anything...i just mean that it transcends your normal drug like advil or nyquil...it grows from the ground and is earthy...i like it because it connects me to nature in a deeper way..but like anything in life it can be overused... blessings everyone..even if you disagree....is there some way to come to compromise? empathy?

[Blueman18]

Drugs = Stupid in my eyes/not for me, srry.[/b] drugs are for cool people not dorks

[LucidAlex]

drugs are for cool people not dorks[/b] That is a pretty ridiculous thing to say, blueman.

[Wavefunction]

Agreed...

[Zaltoa]

Drug is a harsh term to use when speaking of marijuana, it's virutally harmless.

[Arachanox]

Drug is a harsh term to use when speaking of marijuana, it's virutally harmless.[/b] 'Virtually harmless'? ...Never mind.

[The Wig]

'Virtually harmless'? ...Never mind.[/b] Can we try not use this thread to discuss the pros and cons of marijuana? I never mentioned and don't care to discuss it. If you don't have something to add to the original discussion, don't reply.

[Alprazolam]

Drug is a harsh term to use when speaking of marijuana, it's virutally harmless. Marijuana carries THC. THC is a Psychoactive substance in which perception is altered and the state of mind is changed. That is a drug, harmless or not. No where in the definition of "drug" does it say: "Does not harm you" Anyway, THC can be used, by some people to enter wilding easy. Any type of depressant such as marijuana can aid you. However 90-% of the time to dream, you must enter REM sleep, which is only attained after 4-6hours of sleep (roughly, depending on the individual) meaning smoking, and then attempting to WILD into a dream proves very difficult if not impossible (Unless you luckily get a REM rebound nap or something, which is where it is most common) Also, outside of that, its horrible for Lucid Dreaming. It blocks alot of short term memory while under the influence, and hinders memory overall (Chronic users) This = horrible dream recall = horrible LD'ing However, there do seem to be a few people lurking around the site who get by with it. Also> "...its medicine...seriously...the Government coined it 'drug'...and we ALL know how the government handles things they disagree with...its hard to say we have a good government..." No. Anyway, even if it were simply "medicine"- Is it considered a good thing to chornically and recreationally use even household medicines, such as Nyquill? Plus, whos government are you referring too? Not EVERYONE lives in the same area of the world ;0 I assume you are referring to the US. Our Government isn't that great? I see...go check out the middle east, china, asia, or japan? Have fun. The middle east has a kicken gov because you can smoke Hash right? /end sarcasm Don't mean to seem so anti-drug, I am, to an extent, but I am also an ex user and just hate ignorant statements and arguments, from either side. Oh yeah hey SKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! When you attempt this again. Once you wake up, force yourself to get out of bed, take a piss, and then do something mentally stimulating for about at least 10 minutes (Math problems in your head, watch tv and think about it alot, play a game, anything) THEN smoke your J, and THEN start your conecntration technique, THEN lay down and attempt to WILD. That should set you up for the most success.

[sk8bordgeek]

Drug is a harsh term to use when speaking of marijuana, it's virutally harmless. Are you joking?

[Surrealist]

Are you joking? I don't think he is; just as I don't think anyone on here is when they say that. Just because you've been shoved anti-weed propaganda in your face all your life doesn't mean that what you've been told is right. The funniest anti-drug propaganda that I remember from childhood was the classic skillet and egg demonstration. They broke an egg and started cooking it... then they said, "This is your brain... on drugs!" Mwa ha ha ha (evil laugh). But take an honest look... THC, the main component of weed, has a toxicity level that is very, very low. Combine that with the fact that it doesn't kill brain cells... or doesn't do anything permanent to your brain for that matter... and you have a conclusion that is relatively consistent with that person's statement of, "It is virtually harmless."

[sk8bordgeek]

I don't think he is; just as I don't think anyone on here is when they say that. Just because you've been shoved anti-weed propaganda in your face all your life doesn't mean that what you've been told is right. The funniest anti-drug propaganda that I remember from childhood was the classic skillet and egg demonstration. They broke an egg and started cooking it... then they said, "This is your brain... on drugs!" Mwa ha ha ha (evil laugh). But take an honest look... THC, the main component of weed, has a toxicity level that is very, very low. Combine that with the fact that it doesn't kill brain cells... or doesn't do anything permanent to your brain for that matter... and you have a conclusion that is relatively consistent with that person's statement of, "It is virtually harmless." And I supposed you have a PHD in weedology?