A question about the nose pinch RC

[Bobblehat]

I want to know if I've got something right about the nose pinch RC: I realise when you move your eyes in a dream your real, waking eyes actually make that movement. When you try to breathe when pinching your nose (in a dream) does your body actually do the breathing you do in a dream? The way I do nose pinch is to make four of five quick inhalation/exhalations while pinching my nose. Will my real breathing actually be the same as that? If I assume this is the case, then could holding your breathe be a simple RC? In a dream you could simply stop breathing and if the dream starts to decay you'd know you're dreaming?

[RooJ]

From the lucidity institute (http://www.lucidity.com/slbbs/index.html): Figure 3. Voluntary control of respiration during lucid dreaming. LaBerge and Dement (1982) recorded three lucid dreamers who were asked to either breathe rapidly or to hold their breath (in their lucid dreams), marking the interval of altered respiration with eye movement signals as shown in the figure. The subjects reported successfully carrying out the agreed-upon tasks a total of nine times, and in every case, a judge was able to correctly predict on the basis of the polygraph recordings which of the two patterns had been executed (binomial test, p < .002). ... all skeletal muscle groups except those that govern eye-movements and breathing are profoundly inhibited during REM sleep So yeah, that may actually work. Im not sure that it's as easy a test though because it would take longer to test in real life, and you may find you spend much of your time passing out in the street Another point is holding your breath in a dream for an extended time may actually wake you up, from what i understand people with central sleep apnea wake when they stop breathing during the night. Either way its an interesting approach.

[Bobblehat]

Thanks for posting that information, Rooj. I suspect that if holding breathe were to work as an RC then LaBerge would have already explored that as a possibility.

[Smushy]

I thought if it were a dream, you will still be able to breathe through your nose even when pinching it.

[Blacklight]

That RC failed me once. Only once. I'm not sure why but I had a false awakening and couldn't breathe through my pinched nose. Drat.