little help

[Ddayman]

Hi i'm pretty new to the whole lucid dream thing(altough i'm certain i had a lot of them during my early childhood)my cuestion is, do you have to be in some sort of trance or do you just need to do the reality checks in your dreams. Also when i had those lucid dreams i started panicking that i wouldn't get out of them, wil it happen again?

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Ddayman Hi i'm pretty new to the whole lucid dream thing(altough i'm certain i had a lot of them during my early childhood)my cuestion is, do you have to be in some sort of trance or do you just need to do the reality checks in your dreams. Also when i had those lucid dreams i started panicking that i wouldn't get out of them, wil it happen again? Shouldn't happen again, unless you're having a sci-fi, & if you are, return to bed in the dream, & you'll wake up! Any method can be used to have an LD. My method is letting my body fall asleep b4 I start dreaming, & when I move in the dream, I'll know.

[Ddayman]

so you really have to be in the dream fase?

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Ddayman so you really have to be in the dream fase? Not really...I know 1st hand in the dream once I move that I am dreaming! I don't need to be in a trance

[Ddayman]

k thx 4 the help will try it this night

[TygrHawk]

Hiya DDay, and welcome! I would suggest you read all the material on the main DreamViews site, and then check out the tutorials section. There's a lot of good information there. As for the panic -- it really shouldn't be an issue. Once you realize you are dreaming, you should also realize that nothing that happens can hurt you in real life. And you WILL wake up -- I think that most of us wake up before we really want to when we're lucid. Also (no offense Nesgirl), but Nesgirl's abilities and experiences seem to be a little, shall we say, unique, and do not necessarily apply to everyone.

[plobable]

hahaha,unigue fo shore

[Ddayman]

thx! feeling home now! it's just been a long time since i had those dreams and i do remember that i couldn't wake up ,i guess that's kinda panicking for a 6 year old, but now i hadn't have them for like 7 years. i hope it's not as panicking as in the old days

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by TygrHawk Hiya DDay, and welcome! I would suggest you read all the material on the main DreamViews site, and then check out the tutorials section. There's a lot of good information there. As for the panic -- it really shouldn't be an issue. Once you realize you are dreaming, you should also realize that nothing that happens can hurt you in real life. And you WILL wake up -- I think that most of us wake up before we really want to when we're lucid. Also (no offense Nesgirl), but Nesgirl's abilities and experiences seem to be a little, shall we say, unique, and do not necessarily apply to everyone. Is it really that bad to use body-b4-mind LD method every night, & to have sci-fis? If it is, I can try not to have them.

[TygrHawk]

Nesgirl -- I didn't say there was anything "bad" about it. But people who haven't read your posts don't have any idea what you're talking about when you say "sci-fis" (which BTW sound an awful lot like WILDs to me -- I kinda wish you'd just call them that instead of confusing all the newbies). Also, your claim that you cannot wake up unless you return to your sleeping body in your bed is not something that most people experience (or at least I've haven't heard about it), so it probably isn't accurate when you advise someone else that it's a reliable method for waking up -- it may not be for them. Sure, you can tell them to try it, but don't state it like it's a proven fact. It isn't proven for anyone but you.

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by TygrHawk Nesgirl -- I didn't say there was anything \"bad\" about it. But people who haven't read your posts don't have any idea what you're talking about when you say \"sci-fis\" (which BTW sound an awful lot like WILDs to me -- I kinda wish you'd just call them that instead of confusing all the newbies). Also, your claim that you cannot wake up unless you return to your sleeping body in your bed is not something that most people experience (or at least I've haven't heard about it), so it probably isn't accurate when you advise someone else that it's a reliable method for waking up -- it may not be for them. Sure, you can tell them to try it, but don't state it like it's a proven fact. It isn't proven for anyone but you. I only say that about sci-fis! Yes they are WILDs, but real time & real events can take place in them. I just said my bed(or some other bed) is where I need to return to, not necessarily my duplicate or corpse!

[Wicked]

"body-before-mind" and "scifi's" are just your special way of saying WILD and OBE. If you disagree, please show me the differences between what's happening to you and those techniques (if you can call OBE bullshit a "technique")

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Wicked \"body-before-mind\" and \"scifi's\" are just your special way of saying WILD and OBE. If you disagree, please show me the differences between what's happening to you and those techniques (if you can call OBE bullshit a \"technique\") You are right on body-b4-mind. As for sci-fis, I kind of think of them as a special kind of WILD. One in which you start in your bedroom, & have to return there to end it. Well, I seriously think that sci-fis are just dreams, on the other hand, & if you disagree, tell me in the Interpretation area!

[Ddayman]

wow guys, didn't want you to start argue

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Ddayman wow guys, didn't want you to start argue Well, I am a moron, so I sometimes talk funny. Sorry about that.... Also, I never give in to an argument, so that is another thing that makes me a stupid moron!

[Ddayman]

np, just didn't want you guys start to fight

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Ddayman np, just didn't want you guys start to fight Aw! Come on! It is just so fun to argue!!

[Kaniaz]

Originally posted by nesgirl119 I never give in to an argument Then you never want to get in one with me.

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Kaniaz+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaniaz)</div> <!--QuoteBegin-nesgirl119 I never give in to an argument Then you never want to get in one with me.[/b] Try me! I am still in an argument w/my boss about the sci-fis being dreams, b/c he doesn't think they are dreams, about my 75% guess range (he calls me psycho for that!), & that has lasted a year & a half! There is no way you can survive that long!

[Wicked]

Ha! You haven't tasted stubborness if you hadn't argued with ME! And Nesgirl, your self-loathing whining is starting to become annoying. Instead of whining that you're a moron try to stop being one.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Ddayman Hi i'm pretty new to the whole lucid dream thing(altough i'm certain i had a lot of them during my early childhood)my cuestion is, do you have to be in some sort of trance or do you just need to do the reality checks in your dreams. Also when i had those lucid dreams i started panicking that i wouldn't get out of them, wil it happen again? Lucid Dreaming can be a bit unpredictable. It seems that you need a certain surge of Consciousness Energy to really bring on a vivid Lucid Dream ( a lucid dream that isn't particularly vivid is not qualitatively different from any ordinary dream). When that vivid surge of Consciousness Energy hits during a dream, it really doesn't matter much whether you were doing Reality Checks or not, it just seems that you simply know you are dreaming. But without that Energy, then even the most obvious clues go unheeded. For instance, I know with every fiber in my being that I cannot levitate in Real Life and that I can only Levitate in my dreams. But if the energy is not there and I begin to levitate around in my dream, no Reality Check would matter -- I would simply just believe that suddenly I was able to levitate for real. But Reality Checking may have its usefulness. It tells your Higher Dream Self that you want Lucid Dreams, and so Lucid Dreaming is put on the Program. But if you REALLY want to do something useful, put together a Lucid Dream Checklist. Decide what you want to do and memorize it. REALLY Memorize it. You see, although you have a consciousness that is similar to Waking Consciousness, it is not quite the same thing. Words, Phrases, Prayers, Mantras, that are right on the tip of your tongue when you are truly awake, can be a bit confusing even in the most Lucid of Dreams. The Reason a Lucid Dream Checklist is SO important... well, just read through some of these pages. If I had half a dollar for every wasted lucid dream I've read about here, I'd be rich. You should decide what you want from your Lucid Dreams and plan for it. Also, having a Lucid Dream Checklist helps your Higher Mind design the appropriate Lucid Dream. You know, Dreams are a product of Intelligence and they have to come from somewhere, and they must take time to formulate. What everyone says, about how we only use 10% of our Brains... well, that's all Bullcrap. Our Brains and Minds work at about the rate we expect and take about the time we would expect. Our Subconscious Mind needs time to create a good dream. So after you decide upon a good Lucid Dream Checklist, don't become discouraged if a few weeks go by without the appropriate Lucid Dream. It simply takes awhile for your Personal Dream Production Studio to get the Lucid Dream 'filmed and in the can' and ready for play. If you change your expectations while all of your Higher Mind had been mobilized around a theme that you suddenly decide to abandon, then you shouldn't be surprised if your Higher Mind simply dries up for awhile. work with your Subconscious and it will work with you. I once had a dream which showed me a Symbolic Presentation of the Workings of my Higher Mind Dream Studio. It was like an old black and white movie. It showed this smokey news room with about 30 guys wearing those old fedora hats that everyone wore in the 30's and 40's. Half the guys were pounding on typewriters and the other half had their feet up on their desks, talking and BSing each other. Work and pondering, ... pondering and work. That's where dreams come from. So to have good dreams, you have to learn how to work with those guys in that crowded smokey office. Piss them off and they'll all have their feet up on the desks, and nobody will be typing away for that Big Dream you keep changing your mind about.

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Wicked Ha! You haven't tasted stubborness if you hadn't argued with ME! And Nesgirl, your self-loathing whining is starting to become annoying. Instead of whining that you're a moron try to stop being one. I Have too tasted stubborness! I am not whining, but I am insulting myself, b/c I find it fun & funny! It is fun to do that, as I learned about that at school!