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Believe or not...the mind will ultimately shut down and sleep onset will occour(evolution made it that way). Unless the dreamer is able to crank up the same intention night after night, some of 'wanting to lucid dream' will get in to the dream state.
IMJ
Thanks alot man, but yeah its true, people need to know this, why define what is hard when it all exists in your mind. Literally, there is no hard, there are no restrictions, LITERALLY. This isn't some fancy quote you're supposed to contemplate and never acknowledge, its TRUE, REAL. People don't realise that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pichulick
Alright alright, calm down! I was saying hard as in difficult, as a way of classing the different things. Like flying is harder than just looking at stuff. More advanced then, not hard.
Last night was pretty average, two dreams without much vividness, (I was 3rd person for both, watching Spiderman then someone at my school). Thats a problem for me. Only about 30% of my dreams happen to me. The rest happen to other people, or I just watch like a camera without any body. Thats why reality checks would never work for me. I'm never "strolling through a forest full of unicorns when suddenly I realized my watch was the wrong time etc etc".
I tried ADA today as well, but it was harder to do than yesterday. May have been because of what happened today that didn't yesterday, but it was just harder to focus and stay with it.
What is the minimum "awareness" to still do ADA? What I think it is is noticing noises and sensations and seeing things in more detail, as opposed to just "looking" at them. Is this enough or too much? Can I get away with doing a little less and not straining myself to stay aware all day long?
I don't want to cheat on this, but what is enough to do effective ADA? No real point in over stressing myself when I can get the same results with a little less workload.
To quote Yoda if I remember correctly, 'More "advanced" in your mind'. Dude, understand what he and I are saying here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origami
Minimum awareness, theres no minimum awareness, just notice everything, there aren't any levels to this, it's your either aware or you're not. Whatever aware is for you, thats how aware you should be, don't over-analyze, just be aware. It's as simple as the word. BTW, where did people get the idea that being aware was straining, again it exists in your mind, just relax, you're hearing all the sounds and feelings ANYWAY. You paying attention to it doesn't change anything, LOL xD. Realise dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by Origami
I won't say anymore of the difficulty of LD'ing!
It's a strain to try and clear my mind so I don't drift off thinking about other stuff, like what I need to do next or what I just did or what I am doing. When I am aware, I notice gravity on my body, my clothes on me, if I'm sitting I notice the chair, if not, my feet on the ground. I hear everything, and look at everything. I don't just see my dog, I see the colours, it's shadow, where it is, what it's doing..
But then I lose it, after about 30 seconds to a minute. As in I drift off thinking about homework or what was said to me a while ago or whatever.
I guess I should say how long should I be able to hold it for? Or how long each day is long enough to be practice? 10 collective minutes? An hour? Don't just say as long as you can, because if you said that I would just think 5 minutes would do me for the day, but it might not.
All this 'techniques' are man made. Lucid dreaming is also man made, dreams were never meant to be used or controlled so it's not a given that one should lucid dream just by believing it like a religon. And when drfiting off...isn't it normal part of sleep?
IMJ
Ah, brother, so I was right, you are a busy body, you worry too much about things. Look man, once you can free yourself of 'worries' and 'stresses' then you will be able to be aware for the whoooooole day, eeeeeevery day. There's no other way to stop your mind from wandering.
Right now though, do it in 10 minute bursts, say... dunno, 5 times a day. You are very aware from what you said and what I feel, you need to stop doubting yourself. You can increase the time if you want or the frequency, but that's a nice lil chunk to do it in. The truth is, you're supposed to be aware, you're supposed to notice all these details in life and to be in tune with all this, but, things get in the way. Brush off your worries and you're gold.
Oh and,It's not difficult, only difficult in your mind. It's TRUE dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origami
I mean drifting off during the day- daydreaming, thinking about important stuff, worries, etc.
I don't think I, or anyone could just really believe that they will Lucid and just do it. Thats impossible or at least far fetched. However, keeping a strong attitude that you will succeed is essential. If you go to bed having been aware all day, but still not believing you are ready to lucid, then you won't. However if you do very little and believe you still won't lucid.
You need to do the hard graft and effort. Not to trick your brain into reality checking during sleep, but to convince yourself that you have trained enough to lucid. If you work so hard that you believe it is enough, you will succeed.
Thats why I want to know how hard is enough. Right now, I'm doing my best- but I doubt it is enough to lucid tonight, or even soon.
If I was told I was doing more than enough, imagine how I would feel, and how that would translate into a dream.
This is where you're wrong... 'unlearn what you have learned'Quote:
Originally Posted by Origami
I don't know who told you this, but it's bullshit. There are times when you KNOW. Things.. Times where you have no shadow of a doubt that something will occur or that something is right or that something is real. Intuition brother, sometimes you just KNOW. If you let go of your worries and be aware, you won't doubt you will have a lucid dream or even believe you will have one. You will know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origami
You don't need to 'convince' yourself of anything, that in itself is tricking your brain, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Omg, it's staring you in the face man. Hear what I say... Hear what Yoda was saying man.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu everything i say is wrong.
Just do it and tell me straight out what it is you are telling me.
Sorry I've frustrated you, but I'm just expressing myself man, I feel I gots to say something, I say it. Let it marinade, imma do the same, I'm winding down now lol I'm so ..lively today.
I'm frustrated, just.. confused. You say one thing then when I think I understand you it is different.
Just tell me right out now what you think I need to know, so there is no confusion.
'Cos Jesus I don't know what you mean now!
I have said all that needs to be heard. Brother, I have ALREADY said it. Don't go back and read my posts, you know what I'm saying truly, so feel it.
*Looks at control panel*
*New post by MrMarley*
*Scrolls down as fast as can be*
dude what
I swear to God if this is a riddle...
I only do riddles in my leisure... this, is serious business.
Just kiddin'.
But seriously, tell me.
Hm... I need..... to believe in myself?
Please let that not be it, because that is really cliche.
But if you don't post I'm going with that. Trust and belief in myself will pull me through to the end.
used to watch this scene awile back. the star wars series is full of lucid dream tips... someone should make a mashup.
Okay WTF now. I have no idea what I should be doing. Right now, I'm being as aware as often as I can. I don't even know if this is all I need to be doing or if I'm missing something. I'm pretty sure I am missing something, but SOMEONE won't tell me. Which is fine if I need to figure it out myself, but if it's not am I wasting my time here?!
I have no doubt I will lucid dream. I am going to make a list of what I want to do, and I can nearly see it, what it will be like. But every morning when I wake up and have a few dreams to write down, I don't see any progress at all. I think my dreams are still in a dry spell.
What do I do?
How I wish I could punch you in the stomach and hang you by your penis..."Maybe I should" in my lucid dream tonight. You just one of those 'Christians' who don't want to know the truth that GOD doesn't exist. If you did, your would of lucid dreaming would be destroyed and so will your ego seems it's based on it. I'm angry with the mentality of people here because it's alot of prejudice. I posted something about getting lottery numbers from a lucid dream some years back on the DV chat but all I got were hostilities, plain old FACTS that it cannot be done or will never work...so it means the people here are more interested in flaming those who have no proof along with many other posts I made same response.. hmm...Y not join in..:). So here I am.. The people here should wake up and see themselves in the mirror...YOU SUCK! I'm just giving back what the people think of other people's ideas and hope...WELL DONE!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMarley
IMJ
Hey, hey, I'm no Catholic, but I know when someone is being a jackass unnecessarily. This is a dream forum. If you are against the whole idea of making something natural man made, then why are you even here?
Contribute, if you want, and we will read your posts.
But changing the subject entirely or picking a Religion battle is just not on.
And what's a jackass you? Someone who what....disagrees? I did not say anything vulga other than it is man made..for that I'm a jackass? Just proves my point about the people here..
IMJ
You brought it up in the first place, and "Just proves my point about the people here", proves you are being a jackass right now.
Sure, if someone came along and said you were a jackass for being religious/christian/etc, then tehy are out of line. But right here, we were posting about the topic, and you just came on, said something, but ultimately brought up the whole religion debate.
So basically, you disagreed with us, or at least one guy here.
Yeah, I'm sorry for calling you a jackass. It's just random what you did is all. At least you didn't just barge in with nothing imj, at least you contributed to the thread.
And MrMarley, I know what I have to do now. I figured out the little task you gave me.
I think you guys misread me....I used Christianity as an example to compare the 'belief' factor. I have nothing against Christianity or any religon...And what I know is that what I said isn't wrong it's an expression of what happened to me. Randomly attacking you?....Y would I do that if you did not yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMarley
IMJ
Well why didn't you just say that at the start?
And do you have anything else to add to the topic?