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      The Dream Journal Method

      The Dream Journal Method.

      The Dream Journal Method is something I have just started thinking about, inspired by a post from Griffon (http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15678) in a forum thread. He talks about using a dream journal as an actual means of obtaining lucidity, rather than simply improving dream recall. I decided that I would try and construct a thought-out method form it not only for my own benefit, but also for the benefit of others.

      I have been trying for lucidity since about the start of this year, and so far I’ve had four lucid dreams, each one very short (5 seconds) and kind of random. I stopped trying for lucidity for a while to kind of give myself a break, but it only seemed to undo a lot of progress I had made. What I have just recently realised was that my lucid dreams occurred during a time at which I was entering into my dream journal regularly, and being very involved with my progress. Since reading Griffon’s suggestion, I have come to realise that using my dream journal as a method in itself may be very helpful to me.

      The Method:

      I only started this method yesterday, but this is the procedure I have outlined for myself. This method is not something that is one-off or immediate, but accumulative – for those people that are struggling despite their best efforts to lucid dream at all. It involves hard work and a fair bit of dedication, but I guess you’ve got to ask yourself how badly you want to lucid dream.

      · I am dedicating myself to my dream journal by making sure that I enter into it every single day, and with as much detail as possible. Yes, it is just easier to go back to sleep again instead of struggling to write blurry-eyed, but the effort will hopefully pay off.
      · Read over the night’s entry in your journal at least twice during the day, and try and think back to the dream and how it felt etc, using as much detail as possible.
      · While going over the previous night’s dream, try and point out the things that indicate it was a dream. Don’t just go for the obvious (of course it’s unrealistic for you to be a millionaire drug lord etc), but go for the little things and triggers (this person is dead, this always happens in my dreams etc). This is doing more than just searching for dream symbols etc, as it is a way of training your mind to distinguish between a dream and reality based on your actual dreams.
      · If you like, while you are reading the night’s dream you can thin to yourself “this is a dream” or whatever other mantra you use.
      · Try and base your reality checks for the day on something out of your most recent dream eg in your dream you walked through a wall, so for the day your reality checks consist of testing walls with you hand etc.
      · Try and make sure you read over your dream journal entry before going to bed, so it will be fresh in your mind as you go to sleep.
      · Try and write small notes on your progress in your dream journal, anything you think that might help you. Slowly you might condition your mind to think of lucidity during your actual dreams.

      I am going to try the above method for as long as possible; at least a month. I think that this method is based on an accumulative effect of increased awareness, which will be very useful to me because my dreams are so vivid that I simply do not think to question if it is a dream or not. During this time I will try and incorporate WBTB and WILD techniques, but underneath it all I will regard my dream journal as the actual method.

      I think this will be helpful to those people that as soon as they fall asleep just switch off and the next thing they know they’re awake the next morning, remembering their dreams, but never becoming lucid. What’s new about this (I think) is that it is using a dream journal as an actual method, not simply a way to increase recall. By using your dream journal religiously, writing down dreams and your ideas on dreams you become more involved in the whole notion of lucid dreaming, rather then just doing the occasional half-hearted WILD or WBTB. Like I said before, doing this constantly would pay of the most, and maybe it could help those already achieving lucidity regularly by making them more involved.

      Well this is kinda a work in progress, so feel free to suggest anything to me. I want to stress that Griffon was the one that suggested this all, and I’m merely adding and elaborating on it, and trying to turn it into an actual method to help others. I hope that it works well for me – I have a feeling that it might – and I’m interested in the way that dream journals can be actively used as a lucid method.

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      I think it's an awesome idea Roller. I hope you'll keep posting your experiences with this.

      I'm also one of those people that has pretty solid dream recall (I usually remember 2-5 dreams every morning), but like you said, I tend to just "switch off" until I wake up.

      I've been journaling almost every day for the past 3 months, and just recently I started to wonder if it was worth it, since I already had good recall anyway. The thought of using my journal entries to help induce lucidity never occured to me. I'm definitely gonna try this.



      On a side note, I thought I'd mention that in my daily entries, I always separate one page for dreams, and the other to briefly describe general daily events, moods, physical condition, and sleeping patterns, so I have a background to refer to.

      This is especially helpful if you're using brainwave entrainment, melatonin, herbs, or anything that might affect your sleeping patterns and REM states. It makes it easier to keep track of what works, what doesn't, and how it affects your dreams. Of course, it also uses up paper twice as fast, but I think it's worth it.

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      Yeah I'd never thought of using a dream-journal to achieve lucidity until Griffon mentioned it, but I guess it makes sense.

      The hardest thing is keeping up the effort, and staying dedicated enough to be able to use it well.

      I like your way of one page for the journal entries, the other for thoughts and ideas etc... I think just seperating them like that will help you become more involved etc. At the moment I write that stuff after the entry, but I might take your tip on that one.

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      It's funny, cuz after reading Griffon's post, I also thought of this and started doing it. I saw Griffon's idea as a key to understand better our Dream World, which would make it easier to have spontaneous LDs, since we would suddenly realize we're dreaming, as a result of our better understanding of our dreams.

      Im writing down in my journal every day. Im re-reading my dreams a couple of times during the day and I really try to vividly picture the dreams, so as to really feel inside the dream again.

      I think Pandragon's idea of writing down a couple of daily entries, such as mood, recent events,etc, is a really good idea. How many times have we seen that we dream about important things that happened to us recently? I think it would help us understand our dream world (therefor achieving more awareness), which is our goal when we use the Dream Journal Method (DJM).
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      Hmm maybe it should be called the "griffon method" ???

      Aready I'm beginning to become a little more aware as I dream, and this morning I think I almost had a LD, I should have done a WILD, but I was too tired. Oh well.

      Have you had any progress yet with it Kaimelar? I'm keen to know... it would be great if this helped a lot of people, but who knows.

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      Since I started doing it only two days ago, I can't report any progress, but I will when I start seeing it. I'm pretty confident in this method as it deals primarily with awareness, which is the main goal in LDing.
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      Hmmm I had a little progress this morning. I had a dream that I was in some outdoors painting class with some mates and all of a sudden we were wearing suits... it gave me a weird sense of dream dejavu.... I then told my mates "hey this is really weird, I think i've had a dream about this before".....BUT IT WAS A DREAM!!!! grr

      I don't know whether I actually had dreamt it before, or whether it was just my subconsciousness trying to get through to me. It's a little frustrating, but I think I might be on the right track - the dream journal method is slowly raising my awareness of my dreams.

      See what happens tonight.

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      ahahahaha "Ive had a dream like this before" dang thats sucks man lol

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      Since I started using the DJM, I can't report an increase in my awareness, not yet anyway, but my dream recall has increased dramatically. I'm now remembering 3 to 4 dreams on week days and even more on weekends, which is twice as more as I used to remember. I haven't done anything differently, so I can only blame the DJM for this.
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      Yeah my recall is getting much better, which by itself is a good thing I guess. I'm trying to do a lot of auto-suggestion (repeating "I will lucid dream" etc before I go to sleep), which I think will speed up the process a lot better, I doubt it will help achive lucidity by itself.

      This morning I had a similar semi-aware dream, which is encouraging. I was walking around in my mates shoes that were made of organge peels all glued together. I remember thinking as i was crossing the street in these shoe "whoa I've got to tell someone about these shoes when I wake up, this is such a weird dream" but despite thinking this I did not become lucid. I then had another dream that I found some hair in a pie I was eating, I then thought to myself "Yuck, I don't like this, I'm going to wake up" and I did.

      It's a little frustrating, but it shows that I am becoming much more aware of my dreams, which is quite pleasing. I think that tomorrow I'm going to try and wake early and do a MILD. I think I'm starting to see a few benefits from this method, but I'm afraid that I will lose interest before I start becoming lucid from it. I can only keep working hard at it I guess.

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      Hey guys just read the thread and its great to know that people are using the information I have given. Yea Roller I know what you mean by the big increase in awareness, it might not be giving you a huge amount of lucid dreams but it’s making you more conscious in your dreams. It’s kind of like in waking life we have a conscience where we can think, and slowly the increased awareness is giving us a conscience where we can think in our dreams. As you said before “There is a hair in my dream I’m going to wake up now”. I also had a similar dream where I found my self fighting with a 40 year old female teacher I had 3 years ago for English. In the dream I said this is just a dream I’m not going to fight my teacher, and just moved to a different dream, not becoming lucid just more aware.

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      when is started my DJ for the first time i got my first LD a few weeks later and I noticed a real affefct of it in real life to I was having better grades and more effecient plus i was remembering dreams I had months before starting a DJ but i only wrote the new ones not the old ones down.maybe because it was involved with my Sub consciouse then I quite doing DJ for a week or two restarted and my grades and recall have never been as good as then.
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