Thread: A Practical Recipe for Inducing LDs and OBEs

Originally Posted by Solarflare

both accounts get banned

*glares at solarflare with a passion*

I'd like it if cosmic would be able to comment on my issue mentioned on the now previous page.

Hey hey, the only fighting I tolerate around here is if it's over me.

Good boy.

Hey Cosmic, like I said..this may be easier to understand for others than some of the other techniques..some newbies here may think all WILD techniques are all the same when in fact they are not..there are different ways to go about it and I appreciate you adding your way, I shall certainly try it even though I usually get there by myself but I still like to try things out and see how easy or hard the techniques are..this is a valid piece of information and thank you

Theres alot of Nagy people on this site.

Originally Posted by Sassafrax

*shoves her dirty hand in origami's mouth* Shh....

Ok so i tried this last night and got to the "find a better position and fall quickly asleep" part. And i got stuck in the half-sleep. I don't know if you know what i mean ( i made a thread about it called something like "half-dreams"). I was basically stuck in this all-gray half-sleep world where i can only slightly interact with my main DC and from there it's super hard to get to full dream mode.

First, thank you for at least giving the recipe a try... sigh. It is not uncommon that you experience this half-sleep thing while doing the exercise. There are several possible causes:

- Your mind is not letting go, so you never enter the dream completely. Sometimes when this happens it feels more like day dreaming. Random thoughts pop up all the time, and some may turn into dreams briefly, but do not feel real at all -- usually third person perspective or being narrated by you. When this happens, you should try to fall asleep ASAP instead of hanging onto your last string of consciousness. Chances are if you do fall asleep, your consciousness will come back soon after you enter a real dream; or you may experience a false awakening.

- You are in a prolonged false awakening state. Basically you think you are awake, lying on the bed and practicing; but in reality you have already fallen asleep. If you find yourself lying there for a long time, you should repeat the first and second steps in the recipe. By cycling through the watch-hear-move cycle, you are further pushed toward the state of phase entrance. Meantime, they serve as a detector -- if you are already in a false awakening, then cycling these techniques will likely generate results. For example, you may suddenly find your hands moving freely in a weightless fashion. Congrats! You are experiencing an OBE!

- You are stuck in a non-REM period of your sleep cycle. This can happen due to waking up earlier in the night and start doing the exercise without getting enough sleep. REMs come more frequently and become longer toward the end of our sleep. Even though we can experience OBE/LD without REM, those experiences outside of the REMs are hardly desirable.

Here are some suggestions:

- The best time to practice is after doing a morning WBTB.
- Do NOT be afraid of falling asleep. Keep in mind that none of the good things will happen if you don't at least fall asleep once
- If you find yourself staying awake for too long, then try repeating step 1 and 2 of the recipe (the cycling technique).
- Develop the habit of performing the cycling technique at least a couple of times upon any awakenings during the sleep.

Hope that helps!

Originally Posted by angie746

Ok you have explained it well but like Origami says this method is already in the WILD section, not sure if you have seen it , if it's not there it's definatley somewhere on this site..not exactly like yours but more aless the same but like I said you explained it well

noob logic:

Only one WILD method allowed

Originally Posted by Origami

No, he joined today, instantly posted that thread, did nothing else and hasn't been online since. This isn't some newbie, it's like some kind of weird trolling or spam or something.

Great (bad) observation. There's no link going back to any website. This is a post on a lucid dreaming forum about lucid dreaming. Sherlock Origami Holmes is here to stop forum spam.

Btw here are more spam threads for you to police:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/

http://www.dreamviews.com/f81/
(this one's pretty bad)

And worst of all (not for the faint of heart):

http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/

Originally Posted by Origami

Ok, right, let's get all this straight now-

I'm sorry for calling you spam or whatever, but you have to admit creating a second account and insta posting some new super successful recipe (which has to yet to have any backing other than what you say, for all we know only you did this and it worked) wasn't the best way to start off.

You know you can't have two accounts, and will have one deleted, etc etc

If you could re-post this topic with a better intro as your new self, we all would be happy to read it then.

I just put in my vote for you as moderator

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

First, thank you for at least giving the recipe a try... sigh. It is not uncommon that you experience this half-sleep thing while doing the exercise. There are several possible causes:

- Your mind is not letting go, so you never enter the dream completely. Sometimes when this happens it feels more like day dreaming. Random thoughts pop up all the time, and some may turn into dreams briefly, but do not feel real at all -- usually third person perspective or being narrated by you. When this happens, you should try to fall asleep ASAP instead of hanging onto your last string of consciousness. Chances are if you do fall asleep, your consciousness will come back soon after you enter a real dream; or you may experience a false awakening.

- You are in a prolonged false awakening state. Basically you think you are awake, lying on the bed and practicing; but in reality you have already fallen asleep. If you find yourself lying there for a long time, you should repeat the first and second steps in the recipe. By cycling through the watch-hear-move cycle, you are further pushed toward the state of phase entrance. Meantime, they serve as a detector -- if you are already in a false awakening, then cycling these techniques will likely generate results. For example, you may suddenly find your hands moving freely in a weightless fashion. Congrats! You are experiencing an OBE!

- You are stuck in a non-REM period of your sleep cycle. This can happen due to waking up earlier in the night and start doing the exercise without getting enough sleep. REMs come more frequently and become longer toward the end of our sleep. Even though we can experience OBE/LD without REM, those experiences outside of the REMs are hardly desirable.

Here are some suggestions:

- The best time to practice is after doing a morning WBTB.
- Do NOT be afraid of falling asleep. Keep in mind that none of the good things will happen if you don't at least fall asleep once
- If you find yourself staying awake for too long, then try repeating step 1 and 2 of the recipe (the cycling technique).
- Develop the habit of performing the cycling technique at least a couple of times upon any awakenings during the sleep.

Hope that helps!

Thanks, i'll just try to relax and do the cycles again. I know for pretty certain that it's the third issue: stuck in a non-rem sleep period of the cycle. Thanks for your advice.

[QUOTE=That;1733412]noob logic:

Only one WILD method allowed


Right THAT!! I find you very rude and although i stated there were others like this I did not say this was not allowed..I did if you infact read state that yes there are others LIKE it, not exactly like it but morealess the same... I was basically trying to explain what Origamni meant and also I was not against the post as I also stated that it was explained well, I think the more methods the better, DO NOT judge someone you do not know..you have a problem with what I said then maybe speak to me on a higher level like an adult instead of throwing you sarcastic insults about this site..I am an experienced Lucid dreamer and I am here to help anyone who needs it, my posts are un judgemental and I try to see everyones point of view, I am not sarcastic with my mannor as you indeed are and I would appreciate it if you spoke with a little more intelligence next time instead of just spouting off and trying to piss on everyones posts..my god people like you make me really ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, nice one That, I love the sarcasm! I also appreciate the vote for moderator, very nice of you.

*psst, in case you didn't pick up on it, the entire above sentence is sarcasm*

Also, misunderstandings were made early on in this thread, which were then smoothed out through good natured conversation. Nobody likes you wading in up on your high horse dishing out names and other links.

*psst, since you're not too good with sarcasm, I'm taking the time to tell you that the sentence above is not sarcasm*

also

>mfw none of your links actually go to any threads.
Slow clap time methinks, everyone post some clapping hands for That.



Good job.

Thanks for taking your time to post this method. I've been looking for a better understanding on how I can achieve OBE. Btw when you're having a LD how do you switch to OBE and vice-versa?

Originally Posted by bigphil

Thanks for taking your time to post this method. I've been looking for a better understanding on how I can achieve OBE. Btw when you're having a LD how do you switch to OBE and vice-versa?

You are welcome. IMO, OBE is the same thing as a LD, except that you start out from your bed, with the surroundings being similar to what you think the reality is. However, in most cases, the surroundings are quite different from the reality. Some old schools like to tell you that you are experiencing parallel reality, but I beg to differ. Consider this: you are traveling and staying in your hotel room. You practice at night and have an OBE. Now which bed do you get up from? Shouldn't it be the one from the hotel? However, chances are you are still getting up from the bed at home, with your spouse sleeping next to you! Why is that? Simple, your subconscious mind hasn't adapted to the new environment yet, so it cannot produce the correct illusion for you! Why do the old schools swear by the parallel reality thing? I guess maybe they just don't travel often, LOL.

When we practice WILD, we often end up having an OBE. This is because there is very little gap between the states of being unconscious and conscious. The subconscious mind is very sneaky. It knows that you are probably aware of the fact that you never got out of the bed. Thus, the most logical thing to do in order to fool you is to create the illusion that you are still lying in your bed. That is, a false awakening. Yes, OBE is basically a false awakening.

Having said all that, let’s get back to your question. How do we turn a LD into an OBE? Again, the old schools will tell you to focus on your real body. However, if you do that it’s almost guaranteed that you will wake up for real. Let’s not do that. Instead, I suggest you do this – while in LD, close your eyes, and let yourself fall to the ground on your back. This will often produce the effect of a false awakening, which is, as I said earlier, essentially the same thing as an OBE.

Thanks for the explanation. So what you're saying is basically when I have a false awakening I'm having an OBE. Since my room would be an illusion wouldn't it mean that I'd still be dreaming whenever I start moving around?

Originally Posted by bigphil

Thanks for the explanation. So what you're saying is basically when I have a false awakening I'm having an OBE. Since my room would be an illusion wouldn't it mean that I'd still be dreaming whenever I start moving around?

Yes, the room is an illusion, just as in a lucid dream. This usually becomes more obvious if you step outside, as you will likely step into an all new environment. People who practice the old school methods do tend to see more realistic surroundings, and that's because their trainings have programmed their subconscious mind to do so -- you see what you believe during a trance. It’s also the case if you exercise visualizations a lot.

But if the room were an illusion, how will I transfer into reality since everything I'd be doing in the dream would be fake? I mean isn't OBE taken place in the normal realm and not in a dream?

Originally Posted by bigphil

But if the room were an illusion, how will I transfer into reality since everything I'd be doing in the dream would be fake? I mean isn't OBE taken place in the normal realm and not in a dream?

No one has been able to prove that OBE occurs in Normal realm yet. You may have very realistic OBE experience but in the end it's still just an illusion. Some claim you can enter different dimensions by adjusting the vibrations or the pitch of the noises you hear during the initial phase of an OBE. whether or not that works is still being debated. I will leave the truth for you to find out yourself!

I agree with CosmicIron - good to see other people do realize as well, that what people call OBE is mostly a LD. I have been practicing "Astral projection" or OBE techniques and then realized when I got successful, that I am in a dream environment - even when the place looked mostly like my real bedroom, house and garden. Robert Bruce just calls the little changes "reality shifts" and says it is the "real time zone" (RTZ) anyway. The realization, that I had WILDs and therefore finding actually useful information on this forum here, gave me a big boost.

Still I believe there is a private dream area and a public "astral area", but as that is for the "beyond dreaming", I won't go into that here.

Back to topic: I like your recipe. I will apply it when I wake up during the night. So far I had no LD during nights, which I am working on now.

Originally Posted by Kilpikonna

I agree with CosmicIron - good to see other people do realize as well, that what people call OBE is mostly a LD. I have been practicing "Astral projection" or OBE techniques and then realized when I got successful, that I am in a dream environment - even when the place looked mostly like my real bedroom, house and garden. Robert Bruce just calls the little changes "reality shifts" and says it is the "real time zone" (RTZ) anyway. The realization, that I had WILDs and therefore finding actually useful information on this forum here, gave me a big boost.

Still I believe there is a private dream area and a public "astral area", but as that is for the "beyond dreaming", I won't go into that here.

Back to topic: I like your recipe. I will apply it when I wake up during the night. So far I had no LD during nights, which I am working on now.

Traditional astral projection techniques are usually very convoluted, but in the end your projection always works the same way as WILD. The complex trainings essentially just cultivate/program the subconscious mind to adapt to a particular spiritual/religious paradigm. As a result, lots of disciplines are injected into a practitioner’s subconscious; thus, people tend to have more “realistic” and “stable” experiences during projection, in comparison to lucid dreaming.

Having said all that, I’m not dismissing LDs/OBEs as pure illusions and nothing more. Through practice, people indeed can achieve a higher state of mind, which opens a portal that leads to all kind of wonders and miracles. Of course, as you said in your post, that is beyond the scope of this post, and therefore we will not get into that.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

Traditional astral projection techniques are usually very convoluted, but in the end your projection always works the same way as WILD. The complex trainings essentially just cultivate/program the subconscious mind to adapt to a particular spiritual/religious paradigm. As a result, lots of disciplines are injected into a practitioner’s subconscious; thus, people tend to have more “realistic” and “stable” experiences during projection, in comparison to lucid dreaming.

Having said all that, I’m not dismissing LDs/OBEs as pure illusions and nothing more. Through practice, people indeed can achieve a higher state of mind, which opens a portal that leads to all kind of wonders and miracles. Of course, as you said in your post, that is beyond the scope of this post, and therefore we will not get into that.

Where can I go to read up on that topic on this website?

Originally Posted by bigphil

Where can I go to read up on that topic on this website?

Honestly I do not know. I have personally done that, but I'm not sure if this web site has dedicated area to discuss these topics.

The place to discuss "higher states of mind" is "Beyond Dreaming", here: Beyond Dreaming