Thread: Interested in a device to signal REM?

i'd purchase a basic at 100 and a advanced at 200...a
it i could try one out today i would get one...

I'm not convinced it's possible to detect the lucid state without input from the dreamer, so that may be difficult to implement, and will probably rarely work if it is. Unless you've thought of a way to detect lucidity that I haven't.

Vibration doesn't seem like a great idea to me either. It's nice to have it as an additional feature, but I suspect that it would be more likely to wake the dreamer up, rather than providing a reliable cue for lucidity. The lights are a good idea, and I recommend that sound, either a simple beeping or possibly an actual voice saying something simple like "You are dreaming" would be more useful than vibration.

It's a great idea though, we definitely need more products like this available.

$200 for whichever model i could get for $200.

I think that the product would be worth the 200 dollars, but I would probably buy it right away if it were in the 100-150 dollar range. Seeing how that the comparable products on the market now are almost 2 times that, you could probably corner the market at the 100-150 dollar price if people were getting decent results

Allen

not to kill the conversation but i personally think dreams should be left to your ability and your ability alone. dreams are one of the only things these days that we can keep personal and were the only ones to control them. to me I would just practice the techniques involved in lucid dreaming to get to the point where you can practice it every night. to me Its kinda like cheating. but thats just my opinion , maybe everybody disagree's .
P.S. (200 seems right if i Was going to buy one)

I like the sound of this device and if the basic model fell into a price category of say $100 I would consider buying, providing shipping to the UK would not present a problem. Payment by Paypal would also be very handy for international payments.

I will watch with interest....

PS - Couldn't afford $200 as too difficult to make ends meet as it is - sorry.

How far along are you with your device ?Could you give us a time frame . I'm sorry for being impatient i don't want to spend money on a rem dreamer and you come out with this new product that works .

Originally posted by chong
How far along are you with your device ?Could you give us a time frame . I'm sorry for being impatient i don't want to spend money on a rem dreamer and you come out with this new product that works .

what he said....

I followed the interesting discussion on devices to induce LD's and found this link .Has anyone tried the home made version described here ?

I think it looks worth a try and worth the price of a cheap alarm clock .
I am going to make one and try it but will be interested if anyone has already used anything like this.

http://home.no/lucid/lucid/TEF.htm

Kim made a feasibility-testing prototype, where she recorded the output from GSR.
Very impressive results, we could even see where the person lucid dreamed.

However kimpossible was temporarily banned for an offence, and seems to have decided not to return.
This sucks of course.
The original idea for the 'dreamcatcher' was actually mine and both MeusOpus and kimpossible were helping make it a reality.
My electronics knowledge is quite dismal unfortunately
I did fiddle with it, and only ended up with a fairly inflexible basic lie detector that sort of worked.
I need to consider taking this seriously and employing someone part time to design it properly.

Oh what a shame I really hope you succeed in finding suitable people to help enthusiastically bring your idea to reality. I am sure the struggle will be worthwhile and I will be interested to hear how tings are devloping

BB
Pokle

Thanks, I appreciate that
I have quite a lot on my plate, of my own doing. Hopefully I can get the time to get on this again.

Once it came out for like a like and if it got good reviews it would deff inatly be worth my 200 or w/e $$. The nova dreamer is like 600$ and all that dose is flash light into your eyes. And/Or beep when it senses your eyes moving (REM)

Some doubts

1. What is the problem if I reverse engineer the Novadreamer and make a one for my personal use. And can I make the hardware opensource, so that the electronic geeks can do some improvements.

2. What if I make a device exactly similar to the concept of Novadreamer ? Without reverse engineering and without touching it. Is it possible to use such a device for my personal use and can I make the hardware opensource ?

3. Is there a device that detects your REM without touching your body ? Purely by recording your brain waves with the help of a low frequency antenna. Electroencephalography measures the electrical activity of the brain by recording from electrodes placed on the scalp or, in special cases, on the cortex.

I know this is not a great idea since the amplitude is below 100microvolt within the scalp itself. And the antenna size should be almost 4600 miles long for a 10 Hz wave. You will have to sleep in the Great Wall of China so that the antenna can be mounted. But I know how to tackle it(Intellectual property 8) ).

And this 600$ is very very high for Novadreamer if it works just as said in its webpages. Outsource it to china to get it below 1$ (Sorry. may be overconfidence)

I have some questions:

HOW exactly does this device detect REM/that you're dreaming?

How does it look? Will I look like some astronaut with that thing on? Is it like a mask? How comfortable?

How much is the shipping cost to... for example Finland?

Is it durable? (If i happen to roll over it or something while dreaming)

Pricing:

note: I really have no experience in pricing a product but here's my suggestion Also I don't know exactly how high-tech this is so... Don't get mad.

If the price of the basic would be 50 bucks, I'd instantly buy it. That is, if it works. Anywhere around 100 dollars and I'd have to think about it... If enough people say it works well enough, I'd probably pay the 100-200 bucks after I get my hands on some money.

The advanced and pro models shouldn't be much more expensive, because there really aren't many more vital features compared to the basic one... I mean, if you get 99% lucid dreams with the basic model, why pay more? And that's what rational customers think. I'd say that the advanced model should cost 20-40 bucks more than the basic. And the pro could cost like 100$ more than basic (the display probably makes it quite expensive?)

The pricing is more a question of how low are you willing to go? If (IF) the mass production costs like 20$ per device, then there really is no need to put the price much higher than 50$, unless you are willing to become very rich with this... The sad thing is that people are very willing to pay MUCH for a working lucid dream induction device... People want to lucid dream so badly that they don't necessary realize how much 200$ is. But as a lucid dreamer yourself I hope that you think of us as friends and not as customers you want to rob

Well unfortunately the original poster is no longer on this site. So her original enquiries/probing don't really mean much.
At the moment this device is on hold until such time as I can find someone to redesign it.

As for some technical questions:
It will use electrodermal response to determine REM. This is similar to a lie detector, in that it finely monitors the conductivity of your skin.
It has been tested, and it worked so well that we could even see a lucid dream on the chart.

When complete, it would most likely consist of a glove with some electronics on it. Or alternatively it may have wires running from the glove.
I'd prefer to avoid the wires and have the device self-contained.
It should be able to log the information as well as trigger your awareness with either a mild vibration device or a connected mask with lights.
I don't like the mask idea, personally, and would prefer the vibration on my wrist.
Less wires again, too.

Oh and the device is called the 'DreamCatcher glove'.
I'll let everyone know when I have the go-ahead to continue developing it. But I wouldn't advise holding your breath over it. My life is in an ongoing hiatus.

So it works on the same principle as this? http://www.sleeptracker.com/

Just found this device that wakes you up whenever it is the easiest for you. It's really a shame that they didn't implement a function to induce lucidity because it obviously detects the REM phase...

No, because that device relies on your body movements during sleep. Doesn't sound that convincing to me.
Especially since I don't sleep all night, but in 20-30 minute naps.
And I don't move.

In any event, I've sent them an email enquiring about it.

you say you sleep in 20-30 minute intervals, i read that in a book somewhere dose that accuily work? What is it every 3-4hours you sleep for 20minutes or something? Also dosnt it take like 5hours to get into REM how do you Ld on that schedual?

Actually you reach REM after 80 minutes generally.
By sleeping like this though, you end up compressing your sleep and possibly end up with REM rebounds.
The first couple of days is hell. It gets better after that.

So in your 20 minute naps you dont get dreams? how do you become lucid....you can probably WILD whenever you want??

oh yeah (sorry for askin so many questions) But what is a REM rebound?

An REM rebound is when you get REM at times when you normally wouldn't. Eg. within 20 minutes.
In other words, I do dream.
But I don't remember that much of it, except when I WILD. Yes, I can WILD easily like this. But I don't really like WILD's - I prefer DILDs. WILD's have me feeling like I'm going to wake up any second.

Anyway, I'm taking a month's break from pure polyphasic sleep. Previously I've had a month of successfully following it, but recently I eg. do 3 or 4 days and then crash. That's not healthy.
But the break isn't going to be monophasic (eg. 8 hour a night) sleep. I couldn't bring myself to waste that much time again.
I'll do 4 hours at night and 2 or 3 naps in the day.
If that doesn't work, I'll do 4 hours and then 1 hour siesta.
If that doesn't work, I'll do 5 hours and 1 hour siesta. And so on.

BTW, this should ideally be in it's own topic... I'll split it soon, when I get a chance

yeah heh