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Originally Posted by Xanous
The trick is lying on your back. I always daydream myself to sleep, so the only way this works well for me is if I lie on my back so I cant actually 'fall asleep'. Quite ironic that im trying to fall asleep by not falling asleep :P Very paradoxical
Yes but the problem is after a while I get very uncomfortable on my back. Maybe it would help me to get up for a while at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
i cant ever fall asleep on my back so thats why wilds never worked for me. 10 min after me laying on my side gave me success :) I just lie however i feel comfortable
Well for me I generally lie on my side or stomach because it more comfortable.
How long can you lie on your back before you become uncomfortable? If you are always uncomfortable on your back, then don't lie on your back. If you are like me, I ca lay on my back for maybe 10 minutes or so then I'll have to swtich.
What I could suggest is get yourself to the point of heavy HI, switch position and lay on your back, and hopefully you'll be close enough that you'll enter SP before you become uncomfortable again.
Well when I used to check up on myself (I only do it once now or don't even check anymore), I go by how physically tired my body feels, and how heavy the HI was. If you are experiencing heavy HI, and very heavy/numb/tired physical body, that is really the final, I guess barrier. That is the hardest point to get past. About balancing, this is a really hard question, and I'll have to get back to you on that because I need some more time to think about that :PQuote:
Blade5x, How do you balance between awake and asleep[/b]
Just one question to you both. Does it seem like you are almost a part of the HI? Like you are practically there, observering the scenes, almost as if you were an invisible person? If you can get this far, SP is right around the corner... and to go with this if you can actually remember bits and peices of your HI, then you were on the right track because you were still very slightly semi-concious of what was happening - though definently a lowered awareness. Dreams are the same, you can remember without lucidity period. But when the feeling of SP kicks in, it's just like "woah" and it brings you back to lucidity. The problem though, is that sometimes, SP doesn't feel like much :( I've had WILDs where all of a sudden I noticed I was in SP and never felt the onset occur. But usually I do.
Like for example, my last succesful WILD, I remember one scene, where there was a girl and a guy outside of a white-house I guess (something there was white, and they were by a side-walk, and there was grass, I remember the curb... etc), but I wasn't really there. I was observing this whole scene as is I was invisible, and not part of it. And then after a few of these scenes passed I felt the entrance of SP which brought me back to full waking conciousness.
Just keep trying. It is difficult. Even I only have a 50/50 success rate when I make a serious attempt. But I find it a lot easier then the other methods that tell me to keep fully concious the whole way through - which just makes me restless and unable to fall asleep. That's why I develope my own method. It's almost like the opposite of meditation - of keeping your mind clear. But honestly... unless you meditate, who actually can keep their mind perfectly clear for more than 30 seconds, let alone an entire trip starting from waking conciousness into a lucid :P The thing that's similar is that they both shift you attention away from your physical world, and that's key for a WILD.
Yes the HI is very much like a dream where I am an observer. Sometimes though the people is see talk to me but I dont recall talking back. Still it is like watching TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by blade5x
Ah good comparision. I meditate from time to time and yes it can be difficult to keep a clear mind. Because at some point I start seeing HI anyway and it makes me sort of daydream. Perhaps to WILD I need to sort of blend meditation with daydreaming. Maybe start like I'm meditating and then when my mind wants to wonder just go with it but dont zone out too much?Quote:
Originally Posted by blade5x
So when you WILD and you enter heavy HI, the SP brings you back to full awarness? I feel like I bounce back and forth from dream to awake. If I wait long enough will I bounce to awareness but be in SP? Then wait till the SP sensations mellow out and I will be dreaming? Sorry for all the questions, Im just trying to understand this. :wink:
Also, would it be helpfull to listen to some type of white noise or audio file to concentrate on so you can forget your body but not so much where you fall completly asleep?
Nice technique. I'm going to try this this morning.
I have to pay extra attention to the images that go through my mind, since HI is almost non-existant when I try, and I don't believe I've ever had sleep paralysis while attempting a WILD. I'm really failing at the last hurdle here, I think. In this afternoon's nap, I was trying several times to WILD, managing to get good HI, and that rush as things start to go somewhere, but after about 30 seconds it always seems to die away, and I'm left just waiting for a while, doing not a lot! Any ideas?
sweet! just had my second wild using blades technique :D.you dont have to have sp. i didnt in both the times i succeededQuote:
I don't believe I've ever had sleep paralysis while attempting a WILD[/b]
So darn close today. I tried an afternoon WILD and I was consiously deep into a daydream. I was doing surgery with a mini lightsaber and I let it shift to flying around with wings attatched to my arms. Then I hear this loud sucking/growling noise and I nearly jump out of my skin. I realized that I had no thought of my external self and I was probably asleep. I could not get back to were I was. The frustration level is getting very high right now so I think I will give up this method for a while.
Good job freefire!
Do you think you could give us a quick rundown of what you do/what happens? I think it might be helpful to have this described from two different people. Thanks!!
I REALLY want to have an LD! lol check my sig. I've been trying.
BTW i'm also going to try the things out of Stephen LaBerge's "Lucid Dreaming" book.
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Originally Posted by freefire
Ahh I know I dont have to have it, but its a useful milestone to tell how close you are! Since my HI is so weak, its making it really hard to work out how close I am :P
ill probably have to wild agian to give u a better answer but heres how last night went. I woke up about 4 hours after i went to sleep. i ususally get a drink go to the bathroom and try and wild from there, but my teeth were still hurting so i took some pain med and watched some tv. after about an hour i felt sleepy so i turned off the tv and found a nice comfertable position, ( for me its on my side) and just waited. when i started seeing HI and hearing sounds i decided to start to think about some other things, but i dont remember what. i checked back right when i felt this rushing feeling, not like a free fall or a rollercoaster but somthing around those lines. I just tried to ignore it and play out more images in my head. i felt another one of those rushing feelings a few min later and thought that i failed the wild cause i felt reenergized and awake. (i was actully in a dream dreaming i had my eyes closed) the tv was on and i couldnt focus on completing my wild ( even though i already did lol) but i did suspect that it might be a dream cause of the tv and stuff. so i did a quick nose rc and it was. I would of been nice to get sp cause then you would know that u were almost there but i didnt get any and almost missed my chance at an ld. anyway thatsa how last nights wild wentQuote:
Do you think you could give us a quick rundown of what you do/what happens?[/b]
Yes and no. I'm never completely away. It's about balance between sleep and awake as you asked above. This mght vary from person to person, but it's best that you find this out yourself what exactly is the best balance is for you. It just comes with trial and error. Once you fid the "sweetspot" you'll just automatically start to maintain that awareness attempt after attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanous
And it's not just SP that brings me back to full waking conciousness. Sometimes I'll just randomly come back to full waking concious. Like I'll be off in my fantasy, and all of a sudden I'll think "I'm trying to WILD" and then mometarly come out of it, lift m head of my pillow, look around for like 2 seconds, and then go back to the attempt. Sometimes there are rushing noises before SP. You might be sleeping (and fully concious at the same time) and sort of hear "fffFFFFFFFFfff.............fFFFFFfffff......" I'm not sure if this is just me with tinnitus (I do have this slightly - I cannot stand complete quiteness sometimes), but it does sound like air rushing, which I've heard before and during SP before. This sound does not always lead to SP. I heard it last night when going to sleep, maintained it for a awhile, then lost conciousness. I've never succeeded in WILD when going to bed at night or in the afternoon, WBTB is the only method I've been able to get to work for me. For people who try this at night - keep in mind that you regularly don't dream for the first two hours or so of sleep. So SP normally will not kick in, a lucid probably won't begin, etc. This is why it is soooooooo hard to do at night when going to sleep. It's possible to dream without deep sleep first, but that usually only happens after laying in bed restless for hours before you finally fall asleep.
Oh and I tried meditating yesterday, I was focusing on my breathing. Then 5 minutes went by the snap of a finger but I ended up being submerged in HI :( Pretty hard but I think I'll try to pick this up (if I have the time)
Right on. That's exactly what happens to me. Except I usually end up in SP :) I sometimes wait for vibrations, or if they don't come after like a minute, I'll still manually beign my dream by rolling off my bed (not really physically rolling!!).Quote:
i checked back right when i felt this rushing feeling, not like a free fall or a rollercoaster but somthing around those lines. I just tried to ignore it and play out more images in my head. i felt another one of those rushing feelings a few min later[/b]
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Originally Posted by Wolffe
Sorry to have to bring it up again, but anyone have any ideas about this one?
Are you getting excited at all when this rush begins? Like you heart rate picking up? (I have to go for a bit but I'll edit or add more later)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe
yeah thats what kills it for me. i have to try really hard to ignore it.Quote:
Are you getting excited at all when this rush begins? Like you heart rate picking up?[/b]
It is, but not from excitement, if you see what I mean. My heart just spontaniously beats really fast, and my breathing rate goes up too, usuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by blade5x
Yeah I think thats what I hear today. Scared the hell outta me because it has never happened. It sounded like it was in my right ear. It was so loud that I thought something happened in the room. I thought maybe the cat was jacking around with something but I dont know.Quote:
Originally Posted by blade5x
I also saw something like a strobe light and a vibratiting sound that was sync'd with it. It was like a strobe light was on in the room. I never opened my eyes but my hear rate went up and it faded.
Then later my head felt like it was under pressure and again when my heart rate went up it faded.
Oh and the need to swallow still bothers me and then after a while my mouth get dry. My mouth feels like that when I wake up anyway so maybe it is normal. I have to try very hard to ignore it.
I think I get really close I just need to calm down a bit.
dont ignore it, do it! swallow if you have too, change positions if you have too, get yourself comfortable or you cant wild. all you will be thinking about is how much you really need to swallow and it will ruin your attempt. that is somthing that i figured out when i tried to wild. I know everyone says that if you move, you might as well go to sleep and stuff but its not true. good luck! :)Quote:
Oh and the need to swallow still bothers me and then after a while my mouth get dry. My mouth feels like that when I wake up anyway so maybe it is normal. I have to try very hard to ignore it.[/b]
dont have time to read all of this but ima try it
Yeah it's very loud, and getting to excited before it happens does mess it up. It's not until SP is actually happening that you can raise your excitement level without completely messing up (you still can, but it's less likely at that point). From the symtoms you describe (brief rushing noises, pressure on your head), you are very close to SP. The difference in SP is that these rushing noises and pressures are constant or consistant. Before SP, they sort of seem to come in inconsistant waves. This could be the brain checking to see if you are asleep, because if you were, you wouldn't notice these symtoms, so your heart rate, your excitement levels, they would not change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanous
This morning I tried a WILD, succeeded, but lost lucidity within like 15 seconds (don't know why), regained lucidity later on as a DILD, but I was into the whole dream scene that even though I knew I was dreaming, I was still going along with what was going on, and then lost lucidity again :(
Xan, do you sleep with your mouth open or closed? And Wolffe is your breathing rate going up while you attempt the WILD?
Yeah, my heart and breathing rate both go up, and I get a bit lightheaded and the intensity increases, but it only lasts about 10-15 seconds, and then im left just lying there, becoming more awake againQuote:
Originally Posted by blade5x
Not sure why you are asking but with the amount of drool on my pillow in the morning I suspect that I sleep with my mouth open. :wink: Sometimes when I doze I snore a bit and it wakes me. I notice that I had my mouth open.Quote:
Originally Posted by blade5x
It might be why swallowing might seem difficult. Your mouth will dry out if you drool, so try to keep it closed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanous
argh gah. has anyone else found that daylight savings time really messes up this technique? well it has for me and my recall. :(