Thread: Wbtb Approach

Lately I have been using a method of WBTB that has shown some pretty good results. Here is what I do:

• I write down an affirmation on a word document. It can be no longer than a line and should generally be short and to the point.
• Before I go to bed, I type the affirmation out 45 times to fill up one page. I do not copy and paste and I make sure I am actually paying attention to it and saying it in my head or out loud. This step is not necessarily required, but it couldn’t hurt either.
• After I finish writing it, I look over it and try to focus on that affirmation and my determination for a lucid dream in my head.
• I go to sleep and wake up about 5 hours later. I do this again, then I go back to sleep.

I only save the document with the one affirmation on it because obviously the rest of the material is pointless to save.

I also think it is important to write it on a computer if available. The reason is that the brightness of the computer screen, which you are forced to look at, will bring awareness to you as you write the affirmation repeatedly.

My current affirmation is: “I will gain lucidity in my next dream and establish control.”

It is important that you state the initial goal, to establish lucidity, in whatever way best suits you. The “establish control” is my secondary goal. Currently, control is what I have trouble with. I am able to move around and it is usually as vivid as real life, but I have trouble actually willing things to change. For someone that has trouble with accumulating more than a few seconds of lucidity, I would suggest the secondary goal address that. You could do that in a variety of ways, but some might say actually having a goal to do in the dream is enough to keep you in it.

Keep in mind, the secondary goal is optional; furthermore, note my secondary goal does not go into detail concerning how I will establish control. To help keep it short, just choose words that encompass a variety of things in which you want to try. For me, “establish control” covers many methods that can help me do this.

Results: In the past three days I have had 3 LDs (2 in one night and 1 in the next), and a semi-lucid. Also, sprinkled throughout all three nights, there was a high concentration within the dreams about lucid dreaming. More than once I talked about it, thought about it, wondered if I was in a dream, or considered the technique I am referring to. On my last true lucid dream yesterday, I had actually established some minor control too. Unfortunately, during my little practice, my alarm triggered my waking frustration . . .

Things like this have been suggested, whether for WBTB or to incubate a dream, but usually I see guides telling people to write the affirmation and read it over and over. To me, it is better to write it because you are forced to put some effort out. Writing it 45 times is a lot so I imagine that the idea will at least somewhat get stuck in your head, which might also help in MILDing if one tries it. When I go to sleep, I try to keep my mind at least vaguely on the thought of what I wrote down.

Concerning the semi-lucid dream, read SKA’s topic about it if you are not sure what I mean. I would best describe mine as a semi-lucid. In my dream, I was aware that I had fallen asleep but apparently this led me into an alternate dimension, or at least that is what the silly DCs told me. It was a warring world that was appointing a new emperor and apparently I was prophesied to aid the young emperor in his pursuit of domination. It was kind of cool though because I was a god to these people (considering I had some special abilities within the dream). I was clairvoyant, strong, fast, and immortal. During the dream I was even learning new abilities that I was prophesied to have. I still wish it had occurred to me that, despite what the DCs said, I was only in a dream, not a different realm.

That sounds like an excellent idea. Writing down your intention in Word will force you to concentrate on it. What always happens to me is my mind wanders when I think about my intention in bed, as I'm sure has happened to you.

I think I'll try your method tonight. Thanks for the new idea!

ughh typeing that sentance that many times in the middle of the night? not sure i can do it. it sounds cool but i cant do that.

Yes, when I used to try to just think about it, my mid would drift and I "lost my place", if you will. That is why I started doing this, because I am not allowing my mind the opportunity to drift. I also tried to write a story of what I want to happen, but there is too much information and I believe my mind just extinguishes it from my concentration once I write it.

It took me over a week to actually start this task. I had a lot going on mind you, but it still took me a while. Just like any WBTB method that is worth much, you feel like crap when you get up but it does disappear after a while.

BTW, I got another very short fragment of a lucid last night. It sort of "turned on" then, within only a moment, it turned off

Oh well, hopefully tonight I will get more, especially since I don't have anything I must do tomorrow morning.

Ah nice, good idea, going try this tonight thanks.

Good method. I wrote my dream word on a piece of paper so that I could later tell it to a dream character. That was the "task" I had, also helping me remain lucid.

Out of curiosity and off-topic, did you happen to have a new job when you wrote the OP? All the descriptions of the new "realm", learning skills, etc., seem to indicate change in environment, either academic or professional.

That is actually what struck me as strange about the dream I had. Usually with something like that I can relate it to something that happened IRL. This dream was an exception though. Nothing in particular occurred that would warrant the dream, or at least nothing I remember.

Interesting idea... I am going to try it out.

I'm going to try this, doing the typing exercise a few times a day, then before I go to sleep, and then when I wake up, maybe that'll like, double my chances or something. >_>

anyway, did you have a lucid after typing it and going to bed, or after the WBTB part?
And any success anyone else?

Originally Posted by Koji

Lately I have been using a method of WBTB that has shown some pretty good results. Here is what I do:

• I write down an affirmation on a word document. It can be no longer than a line and should generally be short and to the point.
• Before I go to bed, I type the affirmation out 45 times to fill up one page. I do not copy and paste and I make sure I am actually paying attention to it and saying it in my head or out loud. This step is not necessarily required, but it couldn’t hurt either.
• After I finish writing it, I look over it and try to focus on that affirmation and my determination for a lucid dream in my head.
• I go to sleep and wake up about 5 hours later. I do this again, then I go back to sleep.

I only save the document with the one affirmation on it because obviously the rest of the material is pointless to save.

I also think it is important to write it on a computer if available. The reason is that the brightness of the computer screen, which you are forced to look at, will bring awareness to you as you write the affirmation repeatedly.

My current affirmation is: “I will gain lucidity in my next dream and establish control.”

It is important that you state the initial goal, to establish lucidity, in whatever way best suits you. The “establish control” is my secondary goal. Currently, control is what I have trouble with. I am able to move around and it is usually as vivid as real life, but I have trouble actually willing things to change. For someone that has trouble with accumulating more than a few seconds of lucidity, I would suggest the secondary goal address that. You could do that in a variety of ways, but some might say actually having a goal to do in the dream is enough to keep you in it.

Keep in mind, the secondary goal is optional; furthermore, note my secondary goal does not go into detail concerning how I will establish control. To help keep it short, just choose words that encompass a variety of things in which you want to try. For me, “establish control” covers many methods that can help me do this.

Results: In the past three days I have had 3 LDs (2 in one night and 1 in the next), and a semi-lucid. Also, sprinkled throughout all three nights, there was a high concentration within the dreams about lucid dreaming. More than once I talked about it, thought about it, wondered if I was in a dream, or considered the technique I am referring to. On my last true lucid dream yesterday, I had actually established some minor control too. Unfortunately, during my little practice, my alarm triggered my waking frustration . . .

Things like this have been suggested, whether for WBTB or to incubate a dream, but usually I see guides telling people to write the affirmation and read it over and over. To me, it is better to write it because you are forced to put some effort out. Writing it 45 times is a lot so I imagine that the idea will at least somewhat get stuck in your head, which might also help in MILDing if one tries it. When I go to sleep, I try to keep my mind at least vaguely on the thought of what I wrote down.

Concerning the semi-lucid dream, read SKA’s topic about it if you are not sure what I mean. I would best describe mine as a semi-lucid. In my dream, I was aware that I had fallen asleep but apparently this led me into an alternate dimension, or at least that is what the silly DCs told me. It was a warring world that was appointing a new emperor and apparently I was prophesied to aid the young emperor in his pursuit of domination. It was kind of cool though because I was a god to these people (considering I had some special abilities within the dream). I was clairvoyant, strong, fast, and immortal. During the dream I was even learning new abilities that I was prophesied to have. I still wish it had occurred to me that, despite what the DCs said, I was only in a dream, not a different realm.
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Sounds like what I did before...only I used a paper notebook to write out " I WILL REMEMBER TO CHECK MY WATCH AND REALISE I"M DREAMING" for like 10 times and I did check my watch in the dream which got me lucid but it only worked once. I wore a watch to sleep to affirm the suggestion and it was the same watch I was wearing in the dream .

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This worked for me great, just thought I'd post it here so others can try this as well.

Yeah this technique gave me a few lucids. I think it's a good technique, I don't know why I stopped doing it! Thanks for the reminder!

Wow, I've never seen that idea before. Why didn't I think of that? It sounds good, and it might actually work, because it did, for you. You know what? It's 2.12 AM for me right now, so I'll try it right away. Good thinking, Koji. Thanks. I'll keep you updated.

I tried it, even without the WBTB-approach. It worked. I became lucid for a little while. But hey, being lucid is being lucid, so the length doesn't matter.

Been a while since I have checked back in on this topic. Good to know it is working for some people. My results have been a bit mixed now, but I still get lucids from it.

anyway, did you have a lucid after typing it and going to bed, or after the WBTB part?[/b]

I remember few dreams prior to my WBTB sessions. All of the lucids that I remember come at that last little bit of my rest. This technique is no exception but I am curious to try it before I go to bed and not do it again for the night. It sounds like it works even then, at least for some people. Unfortunately, I cannot give this a good try for the next couple of days. One of the scarrier nights of my life happened the last time I tried to do this without a WBTB session. Of course, it was not related so much to dreaming but it did prevent me from any lucids.

Now, it seems some of you have had pretty good results and I do not know how many times you have tried it and what the results have been over time, but I would like to add something. I do not think I said this in an earlier post. It seems that if I get used to whatever it is I am writing, it won't take effect. The harder it is to write it, the better. That doesn't mean it needs to be difficult, but if you can write it perfectly with your eyes closed, there is a good chance you are not concentrating on it. The goal is to make it become repetitive in your mind as well. So, for those that find this technique to lose its effect, try to challenge yourself a bit more on what you write.

Yeah. It won't have much effect if you keep doing it every night. You will get lucid dreams more frequent, but the technique's power will become less. Maybe we should make a minigame where you have to focus on, which will keep your attention to lucid dreaming. And there should be different difficulties.

creative approach, I'll be sure to try that soon