Wilding With Marijuana?

If we're gunna fill this Topic up with the ''Good or bad Question'' about Marijuana I've got something for ya. And not only does it show my opinion and view on the subject: It leads you along a couple of interresting FACTS about the subjects of Drugs like Marijuana and Magic Mushrooms. No gossip, the facts.


Actually, appart from that smoking any dried herbs at all is going to be bad for your lungs, the active substance in Marijuana, THC, is virtualy non-toxic and therefor virtually harmless: Potatoes have a higher OverDose rate than marijuana. It is so lowly toxic that to, theoretically speaking you'd have to smoke about 15 kilos to die from it. And that'd have to be at once. It's just not possible. Same for Magic Mushrooms. Everyone seems to think that because they're labelled ''Drugz'' they must be bad for you. The fun is that this is a big Dogma cuz it's not bad at all for you. Mushrooms are also very Lowly toxic. The Lethal Dose of Magic Mushrooms would be 2 Kilos. 2 KILOS. Not even a fool would eat 2 kilos. 35 grams is about a 1-man portion.

Now have you ever checked out how many people are killed by Alcohol and Caffeïne every year? You'll see why I am one that prefers people eating mushrooms and smoking joints over people drinking Alcohol and coffee all the Time.
It is strange that in basically all western society countries the latter, drinking lots of beer and coffee are strangely enough the norm, while Marijuana and mushrooms are seen as such great evils. Little strange when you look at the actual Deathtoll and nature of the Effects that these 4 drugs have. It seems like the Mindnarrowing, Physically and mentally harmfull and Hate/Stress-promoting drugs are tolerated as being ''normal'' and the softdrugs, like Marijuana and Mushrooms & other Natural Psychedelics, that tend to calm and entrance the peoples minds and expand their awareness while they appear to have no significant badly harmfull effect if any harmfull effect at all on the body and mind are outlawed and labelled as dangerious and forbidden. How, can you explain me, does that make any sense?

You can check out the facts on Marijuana: Chemical facts, Medical facts, Psychological facts & Dosage facts read about it: Here. Cannabis facts for the Confused.




Now Enough of that. If you want to make war on drugs do it somewhere else; you're obviously in the wrong place. Here are people that open their minds to the truth of these drugs, their effects, possibilities and health facts.
Actually I still have some really fine weed. I wanna participate in this Experiment. I'm going to try it tomorrow morning. I will set my alarmclock to go off after having had about5 and 1/2 hour of sleep, wake up and sit up in bed, Smoke a Joint while meditating on WILDing and Lucid Dreaming and then when my Mind is concentrated enough on WILDing I will lay back down to fall asleep. This may not work at once but I am confident it will eventually work really well. Maybe if it doesn't work I could try to stay awake longer, smoke the Joint and wait for about an hour to become more wakefull and sharp while meditating on focussing concentration to WILD.

I was wondering if we could start up a little experiment thread for this? Obviously only people who smoke are gonna be useful. Anyone interested? Get it official, and put it in that research forum maybe?

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Hello!!!

It's just very interesting to see how many outraged responses The Wig has received for his initial post regarding this ‘Naturally Grown Plant’!!![/b]

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Hi there, Kaya! :bigteeth: sent you a welcome PM, by the way.

This is one interesting thread, mainly because of the replies it has received. Well, first off:

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is mankind stupid Ok, don’t answer that! But I mean, is mankind stupid overall as a species?[/b]

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LOL, excuse me for being a cynic, but I'm going to have to go with a big fat "yes" on that one.

Now, to put what I say in context: I'm an atheist, and though I don;t use illegal substances, mainly because I can;t be assed buying them and finding a supplier, I do use other legal substances, such as Salvia Divinorum, which are even more potent than marijuana.

"Drugs are bad, mmmkay?!"

That is the sort of response that is regurgitated over and over again, usually by indoctrinated school-age teenagers who come from overly protective families. Yeah, that's a bad steretype, but that doesn;t mean it doesn;t have some truth to it.

Marijuana specifically? I think it is definitely potentially harmfull. A friend of my family, for instance, suffered from schizophrenia connected with his use of pot, and ended up killing himself. My uncle had to cut down the body from the tree he hung himself from.

That said, alcohol causes untold harm in society. Way worse than marijuana, I'd guess. I think marijuana, like any other substance, can be used responsibly. But, like any other substance, there's no way of really controlling it to make sure people do use it responsibly. I think, though, that the "drugs are bad mmmmkay" approach is just very ignorant propagandist bullshit. There may be no answer to how to ensure people use drugs responsibly, but there's no excuse to drum that conservative bullshit propaganda into people.

Pot and WILD?
YES! I have done this - I used to think it was because I was high that I was able. Then I started to read books on astral projection and discovered it wasn't the only way. I think it works partly by helping concentration. Sounds kinda wrong doesnt it? But being stoned means that you can kinda 'get into it'.

RE other points.
It doesn't make you stupid, but that doesnt mean stupid people don't smoke stupidly (e.g. 24/7).

It can be addictive - like trousers. The withdrawal only lasts the morning, in my experience - but its more like a come-down, i.e. you dont necessarily want to actually get stoned again. If I have it, I'll smoke it till its gone - but although its sold outside my front door (I live in Camden Town) I can easily resist the temptation to buy it for weeks at a time. In the UK we make spliffs with tobacco (because we used to only really get solid hashish which gets crumbled), and now the skunk weed is so strong you have to use it that way (a cigarette-sized spliff of Ska's White Widow would do a whole football team) - so its often the tobacco that people are addicted to.

IMO Getting stoned is great for creativity but not so for actually getting stuff done.

Hash is the same as it always has been - there's just more variety available with the more global market.
But skunk is definitely stronger. I smuggled some into India(!) and blew the socks off a 'Baba' who thought he was a professional stoner. However stronger just means that you smoke less quantity for the same high.

I've only had 'laced' weed a couple of times, both were in the desert in Pakistan where the heroin is cheaper than the weed. I've had my drinks spiked quite a few times though - date rape something-or-other and LSD.

A few friends have gone mad over the years - but it was quite probably latent. It could also have been the alcohol they were drinking combined with poor job prospects, crap housing etc. On balance alcohol is incomparably worse than pot. I can't imagine stoned football hooligans or wife beaters for example. Stoned drivers could be a menace (I never do BTW) - but if they crash it'll probably be OK because they'll only be doing 10 miles per hour. Drivers on alcohol? Different story yet again - shot reaction time + Dutch courage = 1000s of deaths per year on the UK roads.

While I'm at it - and before anyone says - dope does not lead to other drugs, curiosity and peer-presure might.
Dope leads to Pizza.
Investment banking and media work leads to coke.
Coke may lead to dope if you are trying to sleep and there's no valium.
No job, no money, no hope leads to smack.
E is a cultural thing - loads of people who take E don't do anything else except water. Its for clubs, pubs and the bedroom.
etc
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Originally Posted by The

Marijuana specifically? I think it is definitely potentially harmfull. A friend of my family, for instance, suffered from schizophrenia connected with his use of pot, and ended up killing himself. My uncle had to cut down the body from the tree he hung himself from.

That said, alcohol causes untold harm in society. Way worse than marijuana, I'd guess. I think marijuana, like any other substance, can be used responsibly. But, like any other substance, there's no way of really controlling it to make sure people do use it responsibly. I think, though, that the "drugs are bad mmmmkay" approach is just very ignorant propagandist bullshit. There may be no answer to how to ensure people use drugs responsibly, but there's no excuse to drum that conservative bullshit propaganda into people.[/b]

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Actually it seems like you just threw Rationalising right out of the window.
Okay so what are the indications that certain drugs are bad and rather ''risky''? Now a known fact is that very sporadically Psychedelic substances ( Weed, Mushrooms, LSD..etc) can cause people permanent or temporary Psychosis and specifically people with unstable minds, emotionally dolwn or to have a weakness for falling into Psychosis are at that risk. Allthough ot DOES happen sometimes that people on Mushrooms or even from Weed, go psychotic and do bad stuff or even commit suicide. But it happens so RARELY. So I wouldn't exactly say that these drugs are immediately Risky after 1 person had a bad bad experience with it.

How do we rate alcohol? 1000s of people die from alcohol each year I guess. Make that 10s of 1000s of people every year. Alot of Alcohol induced death and trauma are in Traffic, Direct as the cause of alcohol poisonning or indirect by getting agrivated by alcohol and getting into a barfight. So alcohol is not risky? Well I would certainly not say NO, but Í WOULD defenitely say it is MORE risky and potentially problematic by far than any Psychedelic hallucinogen.
Recently actually the news here made a circus out of how a French girl crazed on Mushrooms comitted suicide. They make it look as though everybody that eats mushrooms is now ''at risk of jumping off of a huge bridge'' which was what she did. The last suicide on Mushrooms here was 5 years ago.

I hear you all thinking:'' Ban it then! it is no good drugs that wastes peoples lives!''. Well it's quite seldom to happen and alcohol wastes aLOT of people on a yearly basis. Shocking numbers. So how are we going to determine what is ''good'' and tolerable and what is bad and inacceptable? What is Risky and what Safe?

Ok; just an aside, here, but is it really fair to compare death statistics between substances? I mean, yeah, alcohol kills more people thatn (insert drug here), but it is also much more widely used. If the other substances were used that widely, the stats might not be so steep. The only fair way to comare would be (Number of deaths/number of users) compared to (number of deaths/number of users). Other than that, most of these arguments are quite interesting, and the only real argument I've seen here is that in many countrys these drugs are against the law.

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Originally Posted by PNG_pyro

Other than that, most of these arguments are quite interesting, and the only real argument I've seen here is that in many countrys these drugs are against the law.[/b]

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So you decide what is asumable and not asujmable by looking at what the Law tells you? Just because so many countries have it on their ''illegal'' list it means it is bad? It will probably be so because the mayority sais so? Strange how you reason. And btw you may thnink alcohol is far more widely used, but that is because you can't tell by their faces which if the people you know smoke marijuana occasionally. You'd be ultimately shocked to find out how many people they are. They're only not gunna speak openly about it since they can suddenly be prosecuted and put into rehap for it. Which off course is far out rediculous.

It is a strange herb that makes you ''Hiiiigh'' and does something with your mind:
Some people will think: ''interresting''
Other people will think: ''No stay away frome with that voodoo! I'll kill it!''
Disregarding the Medical facts this is how different people react to the Marijuana Question. The Xenophiles and the Xenphobes. No need to bash one another, but if you think that kind of people that has in their head ''Weed MUST be bad, no matter what irrefurable facts they shove in my face, I WILL percevere your headstrong narrowminded opinion''
Then you're supposed to find another Topic that DOES interrest you.

Obviously this Topic was made by and for people who are interrested in the Possibilities Marijuana + Lucid Dreaming may have and most assumably smoke Marijuana themselves. If you disagree with it then don't fill up this potentially great and benefitial topic with your sarcasm and degrading opinion of what you think of Marijuana and People that smoke it: We're NOT interrested. Sorry. We're interrested in replies of people that think WITH us nstead of just stand on the sideline to criticise us.

Okay I've tried to WILD + WBTB this morning. I set my alarmclock to go off at 9 o clock because I tried it before at 5 6 and 7 o clock but I always was way too sleepy to either awake from it or unable to stay Conscious for a long time after falling back asleep. This morning I awoke at my Alarmclocks cue, 9 o clock, and I noticed my Joint which I had put on an ashtray near my Bed. I felt way too sleepy still and thought it'd be better if I'd fall back asleep without smoking. I thought maybe it would send me too deep and make me too dreamy. Too bad I didn't try cuz soon I found myself hardily able to fall back asleep. My mind had started being concerned with the daytime activities to come and the sunlight was bringing an energy inside of me disallowing me to feel sleepy enough to really sleep. I must have laid there, maybe had a couple of very lowly conscious daydreams and thought-m,ind trips but eventually decided to get up and call my girlfriend. Interresting as I was very deep and my body was completely relaxed into SP while I was very awake and unable to dream away with my Mind at the same time. Maybe I could and should have smoked some weed to sooth my mind again and make it easier to fall back asleep. I will next time.

So Tonight I will set up the same WBTB idea, I'll set my alarmclock for 9 o clock again maybe and then instead of falling back asleep immediately I will somehow FORCE myself to sit up in bed for about 10 minutes in lotus meditation posture and concentrate on my task I plan to do. WILD in this case. I will smoke the Joint before actually concentrating on the WILD task. Then with the WILD task still in my Mind I will fall back asleep and have another go at WBTB + WILD.

I only slept about 5.5 hours last night, do you guys think i'd go into REM if I tried to WILD before bed tonight(i haven't napped at all today)? I want to try this but I dont want to have to wake up in the middle of the night to vaporize some weed.

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Originally Posted by SKA

It seems like the Mindnarrowing, Physically and mentally harmfull and Hate/Stress-promoting drugs are tolerated as being ''normal'' and the softdrugs, like Marijuana and Mushrooms & other Natural Psychedelics, that tend to calm and entrance the peoples minds and expand their awareness while they appear to have no significant badly harmfull effect if any harmfull effect at all on the body and mind are outlawed and labelled as dangerious and forbidden. How, can you explain me, does that make any sense?[/b]

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Psychedelics=people think freely and start to see stuff going on in the world that is horrible and take more notice to things of that such. i don't think governments want their citizens noticing things they are doing is horrible. like people doing lsd in the 60's and started to protest the vietnam war, well of course its gonna get outlawed when the government notices that stuff, and if its legal and not regulated then people are gonna die from stupid shit while on it so they just make it illegal, easy as that. sure that may sound absurd but i think they just want us to stay dumb and kill brain cells with alcohol and smoke sticks of cancer rather than doing something to promote a more positive attitude and healthiness, and the FDA are assholes when it comes to marijuana because they have said it is horrible for you for so long they cant come out and say oh its safe to do because then the country is going to react like WTF? you have kept this a lie to us for this long?!!?, it would be a horrible site on their behalf so they try to keep it illegal with their stupid ass propaganda that went from you kill your friends and commit suicide and go insane because people starting know that you dont so they then switched over too, "would you rather sit on bobs couch and smoke weed and be lazy all day and do nothing or go out and have an active life?" so now they just portray marijuana as making you a couch potato airhead

yup thats about all i can think about atm

ok first off, ive been smoking weed for 4 years and im 18.... BEFORE i knew what a lucid dream was i would have extreamly scary experinces of haveing natrual WILDS ALL THE TIME accopanyed by sleep paralization. i smoked weed every day then as do i now.. so im under the impression that weed will help or at least not hinder having WILDS. i was high many times and went to sleep and and vary quickly fell into natrual WILDS for years.. of course now that i found out what lucid dreams are and that i was a natrual light lucid dreamer and chronic WILD'er ive had much less WILDS but now i have clear lucid dreams and some dream control, im still a newbie basicly thoguh im in college so i cant do like dream jurnals and shit. oh ya WEED SHOULD BE LEGAL i did a 20 page senoir theeses on why marijuana should be legalized and i found out a lot of shit of how why marijuana should be legal. AND I GOT A B+ on on my paper

Hey guys, I recently and have quite a few times before bed smoked a joint. For me it makes me more relaxed and able to get deeper into the whole WILD thing, the first time I got Hypnogogic Imagery was from when I smoked a joint and layed down then 10 minutes later I had a mini TV screen in front of my eyes which was awsome because I had been making posts about not being able to get HI. I've only had 1 good Lucid and 2 others for like a second, so I cant really tell how it works for making you lucid since I am no good at it, but I do know for sure it helps in the beginning stages for WILD/relaxation. Infact I will do this experiment right now, but its 2:30AM so I am most likely going to pass out after a couple min of attempting.

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Psychedelics=people think freely and start to see stuff going on in the world that is horrible and take more notice to things of that such. i don't think governments want their citizens noticing things they are doing is horrible. like people doing lsd in the 60's and started to protest the vietnam war, well of course its gonna get outlawed when the government notices that stuff, and if its legal and not regulated then people are gonna die from stupid shit while on it so they just make it illegal, easy as that. sure that may sound absurd but i think they just want us to stay dumb and kill brain cells with alcohol and smoke sticks of cancer rather than doing something to promote a more positive attitude and healthiness, and the FDA are assholes when it comes to marijuana because they have said it is horrible for you for so long they cant come out and say oh its safe to do because then the country is going to react like WTF? you have kept this a lie to us for this long?!!?, it would be a horrible site on their behalf so they try to keep it illegal with their stupid ass propaganda that went from you kill your friends and commit suicide and go insane because people starting know that you dont so they then switched over too, "would you rather sit on bobs couch and smoke weed and be lazy all day and do nothing or go out and have an active life?" so now they just portray marijuana as making you a couch potato airhead

yup thats about all i can think about atm[/b]

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yeah I know. It is obviously a great tool of the Dominator Culture, The opressive authorities: Keeping the people weakminded, blind and ignorant and really gullable so they'll eat up all their bullshit lies. By drugging them up with drugs that are effectively Mindnarrowing and Consciousness narrowing.
They do this by on the one hand Outlawing Consciousness expanding subtsnaces like Marijuana, Mushrooms & peyote and on the other hand by basically Feeding the population with MindNarrowing substances on a dayly basis and massive scale: Coffee? Found to be distributed everywhere Alcohol? The next Liquor store is probably right around the corner. Besides Society, another strong tool of the authorities, sais: ''A Real man is supposed to Drink beer!'' Cigarettes? Lethal and also mind narrowing nicotine: All these Mind narrowing, enslavingly addictive and hate/stress inducing drugs are never hard to find in any western society.

This is the way they basically drug up the people with the intention of making them Blind, Obediant, Devided peoples so they are easier to controll and dominate.

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Ok; just an aside, here, but is it really fair to compare death statistics between substances? I mean, yeah, alcohol kills more people thatn (insert drug here), but it is also much more widely used. If the other substances were used that widely, the stats might not be so steep. The only fair way to comare would be (Number of deaths/number of users) compared to (number of deaths/number of users). Other than that, most of these arguments are quite interesting, and the only real argument I've seen here is that in many countrys these drugs are against the law.[/b]

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Wrong. The figures are done so that they are per million people who use the drug. For example: Alcohol causes 10,000 deaths out of every 1,000,000 people who use it and get drunk. Marijuana, LSD, Mushrooms causes 0 deaths out of every 1,000,000 people who use it. Even figures on crack/cocaine, meth and all those hard drugs cause less deaths per million compared to alcohol or tobbacco. Tobbacco has one of the highest death rates out of all drugs and it is still legal! A truly amazing thing I discovered the other was the legality of LSD. I thought LSD was made illegal because of suicides, bad trips, hospitilizations etc. But I recntly found out the figures of suicides and hospitilizations were so minute they didn't even made a difference to the overal numbers of hopsitilizations. Even so, comparing them to the amunt of hospitilizations caused by people under the influnce of alcohol made them seem like a speckle. The government cracked it out to be like the world was coming to an end because of people using LSD, making them seem violent, irrational and suicidal. When the real reason was that it was opening people's minds, letting them think for themselves for the first time ever rather than following authority blindly. People on LSD, Mushrooms or Marijuana are no where near as much of a menance compared to someone on alcohol. I have been around a fair bit of psychedelis and never seen someone get into a fight, hurt themselves, commit suicide, irrationaly drive etc while on LSD or Mushrooms, but with alcohol I have seen far too much of it, violence, rape, irrational actions, its disgusting, I despise alcohol.

Anyways, I have only smoked weed twice before, which was a while ago, and I wasn't really to fond of it's effects. The only thing I liked was that I fell aseep easliy when I got home, as usually I have trouble falling to sleep. It's extremely easily to get around my area, and I think this would be a very interesting thing to try. I'll get a little from my friend, try it to WILD with it the next week and let you know how it goes. If it works well, I'l be extremely pleased and be able to have a few days of lucids! :) But after that I won't be touching the stuff again for a long time, 1. i dont like abusing drugs like that and 2. school starts again in two weeks.

WOW. Ok.

long jetty, you said you weren't fond of it the two times you smoked it?
I would suggest not to try and WILD with it because from experience I could see how it would be frightening to someone who didn't like it's usual effects.

I will explain this better. I LOVE marijuana's effects. The all over numbness, the floating, spinning, sinking, the heaviness and how it changes your thoughts and calms your mind. Plus everything else. However, I have had bad experiences with it once or twice. Mostly when you trip out you get major spinning feelings, just as you do when you're having a good trip, but for some reason you find these feelings threatening. Many things contribute I'm not even gonna discuss them all.
Before I even found out about Lucid Dreaming I became fascinated with the way I could get these spinning effects from the weed when I lay down in my bed. I started to train myself and could make myself 'sink' and 'float' and 'spin' as I chose. Once I could control this well, I tried smoking less and less weed. I could still get the same effects with smoking practically no weed at all.
However as I said, I didn't know about LD'ing. Now that I do, I realise that I was entering Sleep Paralysis but because I wasn't focusing on dreaming I didn't actually get Hypnagogic Imagery. Basically I was only focusing on the body part of the high.
But anyway, if you don't like the effects then you should probably not try to enter SP because the high feeling, which you said you don't really like, gets MUCH more intense, and it may lead to a bad trip. BUT if you know how to meditate etc and relax yourself well, you will easily be able to come out of the anxiety and have a good experience and hopefully WILD. It's your choice, I just wanted to inform you of what could happen because I saw an opportunity for a potentially harmful experience.

OK!

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However, I usually "zone in" when I'm high(most people say you "zone out" when you're high, but I see it as the exact opposite. Meaning, I become single-minded and "zone in" on whatever it is I'm doing, while paying

no heed to whatever's going on around me), so I really, really get into what I'm doing, and have a very clear memory of what I did.[/b]

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I am exactly the same. It all depends on how you use any substance, as to what outcome you get.
People who smoke copious amounts of ganja every weekend and sit with their mates laughing and eating, are going to have a fun time. They will mostly all end up 'drones'. Of course this is generalising. But it's mostly true, I've seen it happen to my friends.
Those who use it responsibly (of course most will get baked and do the above occasionally with mates) will find great benefits in it, or any drug for that matter.

ON DRUGS AS A WHOLE - legal/illegal -

I would love to show all of you the new packets the Australian government put on our ciggies. I don't know if you guys have them in your countries, but one of them has statistics on deaths caused by tobacco compared to alcohol and illegal drugs. When I first saw it, all I could do was laugh. I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF! They basically contradict their own laws. I'll try and find a picture of it. But first I'll just say that the government is trying to show they care for the people by trying to discourage us from smoking by putting 'disgusting' pictures on our packs of cigarettes and showing us the figures of deaths related to smoking tobacco.

Ok here it is:
http://www.smoke-free.ca/warnings/Au...a-warnings.htm
See that???? BAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.smoke-free.ca/warnings/wa...phj-bigjpg.jpg
THEN WHY THE FUCK IS IT LEGAL FUCKHEADS?!?!

Personally I think this would be more effective and less damaging to their own laws. http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth...-cigarette.jpg'

BTW to illustrate how FUCKED up Australia's government is with drugs, we are currently the only country to criminalize the use of Salvia Divinorum. WE HAD NO RESEARCH DONE INTO THE DRUG. Their reason for banning it was that it gives people a fun time. (jk) But seriously........

Ahh, anyway. Back to the point. I could achieve SP with marijuana easily now if I tried and I'd be willing to partake in your experiment. Wanna start up a new thread specifically for it? Point us to it if you create it. There's obviously a few people who wanna be test rats. :D :D :D :D

Few quick questions/statements - closing notes

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I've only had 'laced' weed a couple of times, both were in the desert in Pakistan where the heroin is cheaper than the weed. I've had my drinks spiked quite a few times though - date rape something-or-other and LSD.[/b]

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This is horrible, I think I'd literally KILL the person who spiked my drink with acid. I have an immense fear of hallucinogens such as this. Mainly because it's so small and it could be anywhere. The water you just drank could have had LSD in it. Sorry but I'm just paranoid for some reason about that.
This was brought on by one time when I smoked weed and I had a ciggie I got off a friends girlfriend and for some reason thought 'this could have crack in it'. haha. I been paranoid ever since.
But I must stress that this was not BECAUSE of weed. I am already mentally unstable in some ways. I have OCD, depression and anxiety. I had OCD WAYYYY before I smoked weed and depression a few years before. The anxiety was probably from when I had my first bad trip on weed, and this was when I was smoking it everyday.

So my opinion is that weed, and most illegal drugs are helpful if you use them properly. We need to educate ourselves on HOW to use them properly.

Also someone said that weed isn't laced. Some places it is, people lace it where I live sometimes. Not with other drugs, oh no, get this.... Window Cleaner!!!! I highly suspect that this was the weed that brought on my immense phobia that I explained before, crossed with my OCD. However I got it from a friend and the weed I get myself is never laced.

Ummmm. OH YEAH. A question for SKA, you are experienced with strong hallucinogens, I wanna know if you were always able to take them without bad trips? Because you have no idea how much I would love to take them for spiritual benefits and eventually for plain fun and amazement. However I know that I would have a bad trip the first time, because I always wanna keep somewhat in touch with 'reality'. Which is why I like weed and ecstasy, because you can come back down to relatively normal mindset if you need to. Is this possible with such strong hallucinogens? If you start to have a bad trip can you control yourself enough to calm yourself down? I definitely don't wanna be stuck in hell for what feels like eternity. Please tell me all you can on this subject SKA.

Peace to all non drug haters and thanx for reading my 'essay' lol. (Sorry it was so long!)

Tommo, the other night I did LSD for my first time, I coaxed myself out of a bad trip on 250mcg of LSD, and had an amazing experience, I think I would be able to do the same on weed if things went bad. I just hated the clumsiness, laziness, lack of concetration and short-term memory loss I experienced while stoned. If I was lying in bed trying to WILD, I wouldn't mind being lazy and couldn't be clumsy. Hopefully I will be able to concentreate enough to count my breaths and not get distracted.

Weed is not harmless. Heavy users are proven to have bad memory and concentration, not just while stoned, but all the time, their memory/conentration is worse than before they started smoking and worse than the general people of society that are the same age. The hydroponics used to make weed is what causes psychosis. It wasn't until the started using hydroponics to grow marijuana that peole began having these psychotic episodes.

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It wasn't until the started using hydroponics to grow marijuana that peole began having these psychotic episodes.[/b]

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HUH? WHAT ? AHAHHAhahahhaa... :bigteeth: :roll: maybe I'm missing something about hydroponics?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics

I read a news article on it the other day. For now this is all I could find: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?...juana+psychosis

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Tommo, the other night I did LSD for my first time, I coaxed myself out of a bad trip on 250mcg of LSD, and had an amazing experience, I think I would be able to do the same on weed if things went bad. I just hated the clumsiness, laziness, lack of concetration and short-term memory loss I experienced while stoned. If I was lying in bed trying to WILD, I wouldn't mind being lazy and couldn't be clumsy. Hopefully I will be able to concentreate enough to count my breaths and not get distracted.

Weed is not harmless. Heavy users are proven to have bad memory and concentration, not just while stoned, but all the time, their memory/conentration is worse than before they started smoking and worse than the general people of society that are the same age.[/b]

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First of all, isn't the usual dose for LSD like 80-100? 250 is fairly large yeh?
Um, they've (scientists) started research on weed for people who have ADD and ADHD and I have suspicions that it is fairly similar to the current medications (Ritalin, Adderall etc.) for these illnesses. For example someone with ADD or ADHD can take these stimulants to make them concentrate, however if someone without ADD or ADHD takes them, it basically just hypes them up. Weed may be the same, if you have maybe even mild ADD or ADHD or something similar it will make you concentrate more. If you don't, it's obviously not gonna hype you up coz it's not a stimulant, but it may have the reaction that some of you talk about, clumsiness, no concentration etc.

And I see where you're getting this from (the lack of concentration in heavy users). When I was still smoking, one time I tried to be stoned every day. At school you have no idea how much my concentration picked up in the first few days. Even for the first two weeks I was still concentrating, I'd get home and do my maths homework, during class I wouldn't be distracted. I learned a lot in those couple of weeks. However, into the second week I couldn't concentrate at all really. Thoughts just came into my head that usually wouldn't have. I basically spent the whole class thinking, "man, this weed is great I concentrate so much" and thought about how much I'd been concentrating lately, not realising that I was not actually concentrating while thinking this. The time passed so quickly while I was thinking this too, I was zoned out. I think this is why with the ADD and ADHD patients they are testing it by putting weed in foods. So it lasts for longer, and hopefully won't have this adverse reaction.

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The hydroponics used to make weed is what causes psychosis. It wasn't until the started using hydroponics to grow marijuana that people began having these psychotic episodes.[/b]

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Yeh, I'm not sure about this. I don't think I've ever smoked hydro and I had a few psychotic episodes. Of course I'm not 100% sure whether it was grown hydroponically or not, but mostly out here (in the suburbs) it's grown in plain old dirt, the city is where they use hydro.

Yeah, you're right, the hydro thing is not proven, just a theory. 250mcg is a fairly large dose especially for a first timer. Average dose is 100mcg. if youre interested my trip report is in the beyond dreaming forum under mind altering subtances. Re-reading my post I sound as a bit of a cockhead 'oh look at me I did 250mcg of LSD', sorry If I came across that way, just trying to let you understand my feelings on marijuana. also i wrote out a huge post and then pressed the post button, and the internet screwedup so i had to re-write. not wanting to spend all that time again i rushed it and came across differently to what i wanted. thats pretty interesting stuff, i would of never guessed itd be used to help concentration. ive read many a times heay users have lack of memory and concentration skills. ive even seen my friend basically develop a heavy case of ADD over the years as he's kept smoking everyday. well im really keen to give this a try, i just cant seem to WILD no matter how hard i try. its really annoyin, im really open to any suggestions. if i get round to it ill let you know how it goes.

Cool, I'll check it out, but tomorrow, I really have to sleep now. Got me some inductions to test!

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also i wrote out a huge post and then pressed the post button, and the internet screwedup so i had to re-write.[/b]

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FUCK I hate that, once it happened to me like 4 times in a row, so now when I'm typing long posts I copy and paste it into notepad occasionally, just in case something like that happens.

Well, look forward to reading your trip report <strike>tomorrow morning</strike> this morning lol.
Peace&#33;

pot is good for wilding? for me its perfect, when i go to bed high I cant fall asleep till im sober, so this would help keep me up while doing a wild, but when im sober and attempting a wild I start to get itchy all over and cant resist scratching so that just boonches the whole thang up, and in the end i&#39;d say a bedtime blast goes well with WILD so its all good, you understand me?

Sounds good n all, but makes me super jealous of you. I can&#39;t smoke weed because I&#39;m in the military and all. Otherwise I would...can&#39;t wait to get out...someday&#33;&#33;&#33; Anyways yeah, I could see how this could work I suppose. Sometimes after getting drunk it feels as if WILD would be easy because of the whole relaxed feeling and the room spinning thing. I always try it, but wind up falling asleep. I think it could work too though because the alcohol relaxes you alot as well. Well it does me anyway. If I could just fight falling asleep.

ran outta weed so im sippin on tha OE, tell me do ya feel meh?

This thread was MADE for me. I&#39;m in. All in. After being chronic for so many years (20-ish) I&#39;ll never go back to daily use, however, I was just saying to the Mrs. this afternoon that I&#39;d be totally open-minded to ocasionally partaking of the odd doob here&#39;n there. I&#39;ve been totally straight since the 8th of March, no mean feat for me cuz I LOVES my weed y&#39;see? So, that being said it&#39;s Saturday night, midnight to be almost exact, I got some sweet Buckethead playing & I&#39;m reading this thread for the first time almost exactly the way thealchemist did & I&#39;m almost literally drooling, a-la Pavlov&#39;s dogs, thinking about twisting up a nice skinny one of the "fancy" (Aurora) and re-visiting my first love (you&#39;ve all seen the tattoo, right?) and then giving the WILD a go. I&#39;ll put on the hemi-sync too for good measure. I&#39;ve tried this a few times with zero success, but then I wasn&#39;t nearly so keen as I am now. I&#39;ll for sure keep you guys up to speed, gotta go now, sweet Mary calls....

(SKA, you lucky bastard, you lucky lucky bastard.. White Widow?&#33; I am drooling now&#33; One of my favorites, hand down, my wife&#39;s #1 favorite of all time, she&#39;ll kill me when I tell her.. LOL&#33;&#33;)