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Originally Posted by The
...its medicine...seriously...the Government coined it 'drug'...and we ALL know how the government handles things they disagree with...its hard to say we have a good government...
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Originally Posted by The
...its medicine...seriously...the Government coined it 'drug'...and we ALL know how the government handles things they disagree with...its hard to say we have a good government...
"I am the 'ow' in 'now'... and if you tell anyone...."
-Homer stoned
OK, to say that I got high last night would be a gross understatement. I turned into a genius.
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I remember George Carlin saying one time when he was asked if he wrote his material high something to the effect that no, he didn't write it high but he wrote it all straight and then later he would smoke one and it was "punch up" time. That makes perfect sense to me now. I had such a profound clarity, ideas were flooding in. I came to some very important decisions for myself. As it pertains to this thread: no, I did not WILD.
As for my life-altering conclusions I will post them in another thread that I will start, doesn't have much to do with this thread inasmuch as I won't be doing it high all the time, probably only on weekends.. and only on days that end in 'y' (jk). Sure felt good, but what also feels good is that today I know I'm going to be staying straight. I like not being a chronic toker anymore. This probably only makes sense to you if you've experienced it too.
Dream on!
Preach it! Let me tell you, I've only puffed weed once and the stuff was amazing. I wish I woudn't have been such a p*ss and toke a few more tokes, but I felt bad abt it because of how I was raised and like an idiot I didn't do anymore. Now That I really can't do it I want it more than ever. I absolutely hate alcohol and the way it makes you sick and the beer guts and the killing people blah blah blah. I think the government won't legalize it because they wouldn't be able to make money off of it.We all know that's what it is! Also I think that since it's good for you in so many ways and they have to keep the death toll up to keep from overpopulating earth. LOL I really don't know about the last one. That goes along with the whole thing about the government purposely spread diseases conspiracy I guess, but I don't trust the government at all.It's probably all a conspiracy! Yet I work for them...go figure! What can I say...benefits baby!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowercase
I'm just so morally torn...
Well I plan on picking up some Northern Lights and Maui Wowwi next weekend so I will have to give this a go. It should be interesting as weed relaxing me to the maximum ^^
Hydoponics cannot increase potency, only help ensure the maximum potency (and yield) for a particular variety.
you guys are going off-topic, just to remind you
Hey guys,
Have been conducting some intense academic research on the topic. (heh) I've been able to get to HI much much faster, and I'm rarely bothered by itches/outside forces. It helps to be tired first though. If i smoke without first being tired, I often have the urge to get up and do something.
hilarious - and I can related to what you said about Carlins material...Quote:
OK, to say that I got high last night would be a gross understatement. I turned into a genius.
Delta 9 - Sippin on OE? I feel yah.
[alchemist]
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Originally Posted by Zaltoa
Marijuana carries THC. THC is a Psychoactive substance in which perception is altered and the state of mind is changed.
That is a drug, harmless or not.
No where in the definition of "drug" does it say: "Does not harm you"
Anyway, THC can be used, by some people to enter wilding easy. Any type of depressant such as marijuana can aid you. However 90-% of the time to dream, you must enter REM sleep, which is only attained after 4-6hours of sleep (roughly, depending on the individual) meaning smoking, and then attempting to WILD into a dream proves very difficult if not impossible (Unless you luckily get a REM rebound nap or something, which is where it is most common)
Also, outside of that, its horrible for Lucid Dreaming. It blocks alot of short term memory while under the influence, and hinders memory overall (Chronic users) This = horrible dream recall = horrible LD'ing
However, there do seem to be a few people lurking around the site who get by with it.
Also>
"...its medicine...seriously...the Government coined it 'drug'...and we ALL know how the government handles things they disagree with...its hard to say we have a good government..."
No. Anyway, even if it were simply "medicine"- Is it considered a good thing to chornically and recreationally use even household medicines, such as Nyquill?
Plus, whos government are you referring too? Not EVERYONE lives in the same area of the world ;0
I assume you are referring to the US. Our Government isn't that great? I see...go check out the middle east, china, asia, or japan? Have fun. The middle east has a kicken gov because you can smoke Hash right?
/end sarcasm
Don't mean to seem so anti-drug, I am, to an extent, but I am also an ex user and just hate ignorant statements and arguments, from either side.
Oh yeah hey SKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
When you attempt this again. Once you wake up, force yourself to get out of bed, take a piss, and then do something mentally stimulating for about at least 10 minutes (Math problems in your head, watch tv and think about it alot, play a game, anything) THEN smoke your J, and THEN start your conecntration technique, THEN lay down and attempt to WILD.
That should set you up for the most success.
Now... I have some pertinent info to add to this whole discussion, but seeing as how this thread has changed from "users posting relevant info" to "people spreading Government propaganda," I must preface it with this following:
I'm an ex-user... but one that didn't quit to "become a better person," or anything like that... I'm one who quit because The Man brought me down. My trek into the wonderful world of "drugs" began when I, for some reason which I can't remember now, began looking online for The Truth behind weed. I instinctively knew that what I had been brought up to believe wasn't the Whole Truth, so I dug deeper.
What I found was that most, if not all, of the U.S. propaganda (and yes, it is propaganda) regarding this amazing drug was lies. They were exquisitely woven lies that were designed to produce a mainstream shift in the beliefs of all its citizens. The Internet is a wonderful thing; one that, given enough effort, one can find the ultimate truth about any subject.
Just do a Google search on "marijuana myths," and I'm sure that those that are against this drug will find themselves rejecting all the info they find, not because it's false though, but because they simply don't want to accept it. It's not addicting, doesn't significantly impair your driving, doesn't lead to harder drugs, is harmless beyond the fact that anything smoked is harmful, and most important of all: It doesn't make you stupid, and doesn't have any lasting effects after you are not "high" anymore.
This is truth... memory effects, and all of its many wonderful facets, leave and don't continue if you stop using. The Government would have you believe that it "kills your brain cells," and all sorts of nonsense... but these are all lies once again. This was proven in a test involving giving monkeys a highly concentrated dose over a very long period. Their brains were all perfectly fine. :D
Don't get me wrong though, there are ultimately two types of people: Those who smoke "stupidly," and those who don't. We that don't don't do stupid things on pot actually respect it... if anything, I acted more sane and collected when I was high than these many months that I have been sober. It didn't make me do irrational things, and I never put it above anything else in my life.
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Now that that's out of the way... on to the actual topic. I started after researching on the Internet and finding all this really useful info, and then I resolved that when it was ever offered to me... I'd do it willingly, without peer-pressure. The first time I ever got faded I had the first out-of-body
experience of my life. It wasn't laced (and as already mentioned, you must actually willingly buy laced weed), and the only reason I say that it was an OBE was because I wasn't practicing, and didn't even know about, all this LD and OBE stuff when this happened. It was only after I started trying to have an OBE that I realized I had already had one, on weed! :p
Anyways, you know that disorientating feeling you get when you are almost successful at a WILD? Well, I had that same feeling come over me, and persist, for most of my first smoking session. I realized after awhile that I could actually see my body from behind... in the form of a white, buzzing energy. This took the shape of my body... kind of like a wire frame.
And looking back now... the white-ish, buzzing energy that I was seeing acted a whole heck of a lot like my astral body does. I found that just by willing the energy to move, my arm moved with it. It's very hard to describe, but I know for a fact that it was my energy body just from my own lucid dreaming experiences.
The whole time I was high I was outside and behind my own body... manipulating it from "wherever" I was. I felt disconnected from it, and instinctively knew that I was something "more" than just my body because of it.
So, because of all of this, I do believe that weed can facilitate and OBE (an hence a lucid dream if you are on your way to sleep). Now, I don't need the weed-haters coming and saying, "Well, how do you know it was and OBE and not just hallucinations from the drug?" I can say the same thing... "How do you know your OBE was really one, and that you weren't just dreaming it all up?"
My question is... if you, being someone who's had an OBE already, goes out and gets face-flat stoned and realizes that it feels, and looks, just like the OBEs you've had, what would you then believe?
Get over yourself. It's a goddam drug. Medicine by definition is a drug. Any kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowercase Society
Yes... you're right. I'm not defending him by any means, but what I think he was getting at is that they use 'drug' as a derogatory term... hence his use of quotes around drug.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wig
I wouldn't even bother responding. No one is gonna change their mind on the Internet so it's not even worth the time it takes to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surrealist
Anyway, as for my research (as it were). I pretty much gave it up and declared it impossible for myself. I wasn't remembering ANY dreams at all and while I could get relax and get close to SP, I only got there once, and that's usually after the effects wore off. It's probably a lot easier without smoking beforehand to WILD.
Well, I guess.... but I also guess that you already know my stance on the issue... I can't stand people that use the word 'drug' in a derogatory sense. After all, they are taking many, many drugs everyday... they're all hypocrites when they do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wig
I would suggest something then... but I realize that it might be very expensive (depending on your area, heh :p). You see, I only got that breakthrough experience, as in OBE, when I smoked a very, very large amount. I would say that it is simliar to Salvia Divinorum... you don't get that OOB-experience unless you take the right level.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wig
I once had a Salvia experience where I actually traveled to the 5th dimension, and therefore I could then see time as just another direction. All very hard to explain... but I couldn't get there again without taking a whole lot.
I also noticed that Salvia also feels a lot like a LD or OBE (when you actually take enough)... so much so that when I came back I knew that I had been out of my body. If you are up to it, I would highly suggest it... it's a perfectly legal drug, but should always be used with a sitter. I wouldn't advocate anyone using it, but if you are of a very strong mind, and wouldn't mind exploring a foreign and fascinating place, then by all means... :D
Fellow Cannabis smokers & explorers of Mind.
I've posted a Topic about this a while back.
I've tried a couple of approaches to WILD+WBTB but all have failed. Also smoking Marijuana.
My main problem is that if I wake up to WILD early in the morning I am so groggy and "Mystified" that when I try to fall back asleep consciously I am almost litterally gone in 60 seconds. BANG! K.O. You loose. You know?
So my problem is that I am still waaaay too hazy and far less awake than nececairy to fall back asleep Consciously. I always have this in the morning.
However I can't get to sleep at a certain point after awakening.
So for me smoking Marijuana, as opposed to what most people experience, is a way to clear my head and it actually makes me more awake and aware in the morning giving me a stronger concentration. But my main concern with WILD+WBTB is that I'm going to need something that really awakes me Mentally while leaving Body in the Near complete paralysis that you get when you just awake from sleep.
I wanted to try drinking Red Bull in the morning but I didn't because I felt like puking at the very idea of drinking Red Bull on an empty stomachh in the morning. Maybe I should do that anywayz someday. It might give me the alertness and wakefullness to WILD in the morning.
Any other suggestions as to how to wake my self up mentally before going back to sleep?
"They" are the government and would like to keep a tight grip of control over the people.Weed, as other Psychedelics, is "Consciousness expanding" and leads alot of people realising what is important in life, Love, Warmth, understanding and Unity, and what is not. " Psychedelised" peoples look critically at Commercialism, Consumerism and Materialism and the current politics and Authorities of the world as it is these days. They will see the Truth, the essence of what is happening to them, to the rich corporate/political elite and to their tax-money.Quote:
Originally Posted by "tomeeka"
No wonder they ban Weed in pretty much every country in the world: Can't have a population that complains and looks at you critically if you have bad, authoritairian intent.
Alcohol kills alot of people but makes alot of money. But the main reason Alcohol is the Fascist's Favorite substance is not to drink it themselves, but to drown their people in it. Alcohol is a very unintelligent high that NARROWS the consciousness, makes people enjoy foolish pleasures while forgetting all about the great evil being done to them and the mass-conditioning of Human Kind as a sheep hurd following the shepperds down a cliff. Alcohol is just perfect to keep the masses, dumb, devided, agressive and ignorant.
Which is EXACTLY why I advise everyone to abandon alcohol and try a Psychedelic "buzz" instead. Just trying to open as many eyes as I can. ;)
Alcohol is a sickening Buzz that can only be laughed about foolishly and enjoyed trying to nevermind a stomach seriously protesting.
Marijuana is a Spiritual buzz that I can actually enjoy while taking it very Seriously. It is serious pleasure. Not foolish fun. It is also quite an intelligent high, making you think in brand new ways; Closer to yourself, More self-assured and more philosophical/psychological; you mighjt actually learn ALOT about life from insights gained from Psychedelic states of Mind such as those induced by Cannabis.
I think the reason alcohol causes so many more deaths is that it is not frowned upon so it's drunk freely. Marijuana is definitely looked down upon by the U.S. and most European countries, which make a rather large amount of the population in the world. Meaning, that Marijuana is rarely drunk when compared to alcohol, so naturally more would die from alcohol.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Blue Meanie
I personally feel Marijuana is a terrible drug that can screw up your life and something you should definitely stay away from. While this may not be the case for everyone, it can certainly screw up your body and can push relatively small problems into depression. Anyway, when drinking any addictive drug, whenever alcohol, tobacco, or marijuana, it is near impossible to realize you are over-addicted and it's screwing with your mind/body. So, to say it does not affect you (thought it very well may be the case), is not exactly the most unbiased view you can get on the subject.
Also, though I do believe that it is a very big mistake to take, I do not believe you are necessarily an unintelligent person to take it. In fact, I do know of several intelligent people who have taken it before, though most of which regret it.
Finally, someone mentioned that Marijuana can have health benefits. While this is true, as far as my knowledge go’s, it can only benefit though with certain types of conditions when used in small amounts. Therefore, unless you have one of the conditions, I don't believe this can be used as a valid point to support Marijuana.
Sorry to focus the conversation any further on the ethics of taking Marijuana, but I couldn’t resist putting in my two cents.
And yes, I am from the U.S. and have been constantly taken (as legally required) health classes, many of which discuss the problems with Marijuana.
This is unsubstantiated... there are no known ways in which MJ can cause deaths... even driving has been proven to not be that much of a problem than what the Govt. would want you to think. You can't OD on MJ, but you can sure OD on alcohol.Quote:
Originally Posted by spongelogan
What? Please tell me how MJ can screw up your body... if you eat it and not smoke it. And depression? Please... you ask anybody who smokes it and I'm sure that "depression" is the last thing on their mind. It makes you a happier, more laidback and enlightened person.Quote:
Originally Posted by spongelogan
MJ is not addictive. This is a myth that you probably picked up from your numerous health classes. Alcohol is physically addicting (i.e. withdrawals)... cocaine, ecstasy, meth, and a bunch of others are physically addicting... but not pot. Pot doesn't give you withdrawals because it isn't physically addicting.Quote:
Originally Posted by spongelogan
Now... I'm sorry if you mean psychologically addicting... this is a whole other issue. Anything can be psychologically addicting; it doesn't even have to be a drug. Sex is even highly psychologically addicting. To say that something is bad because it is psychologically addicting would mean that anything, and everything, on this Earth is bad. Please...
Sorry to be cynical, but the only "problems" you have discussed are "problems" with the Govt. propaganda that you've been spoon-fed all your life, while at the same time being conditioned to not think about it for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by spongelogan
LOL, the funny part of all this is, pretty much %100 of the anti-smoke talk I've seen here is that same garbage teachers tried to feed us during that anti-drug convention at school. Could all the haters of smoke please do me and the rest of this forum a favor? Shut the fuck up unless your going to stay on topic, otherwise get the fuck out.
Anyway, on topic. Smoke and sleep go great together, I'm going to try this tomorrow night. I'm out of town right now, so I can't really get my hands on any. Another thing some of you may consider, about 1 or 2 hours before bed pop 3 or 4 nytol. You can get them at you local drug mart.
It contains a chemical called diphenhydramine, basicly makes you tired as hell and makes you have really vivid dreams. I remember one time I took 20 of them, beside seeing little green men running around and loney toons popping out of the wall, when I went to sleep I was really thirsty and as soon as I closed my eyes and went to sleep I had a dream about waking up about 10 seconds later and grabbing the glass of drink on the table and drinking it, and then wake up to being thirsty again. This isn't for everyone on this forum, but for those who want to have a go at it, I would say it's the easiest way to get into a dream. But remember, I will not be held responsible for anyone who gets hurt or becomes sick in this process.
Didn't read through everything so forgive me if I repeat.
weed effects everyone slightly differently and for me it seems to have an opposite effect from the norm. Its a focusing drug for me; after smoking I can sit down and paint for hours, clean my whole apartment, etc. It helps a bunch with dreaming in general since it seems that even when I'm not lucid my dreams are still much more vivid but it helps with WILDs in particular because my main problem with getting in to a WILD is that my mind will often drift when I get in to that half asleep stage and I'll forget what I was trying to do and just drift off in to natural sleep. With weed I can usually stay focused a lot easier during this stage and have a much better time with it.
I realize that for a lot of people it leaves the attention span in utter ruin and so would have the opposite effect, so I don't know if this answers your question, but it helps for at least some people.
Going off topic, here. Sorry. Whatever. So can alcohol--it's not worse than marijuana. Have you ever heard of a functional alcoholic? So, it can kill your liver, big fuckin' deal? We all die at some point, right?Quote:
That said, alcohol causes untold harm in society. Way worse than marijuana, I'd guess. I think marijuana, like any other substance, can be used responsibly.
Alcohol, in my case, IS used responsibly. Please, don't give me statistics and crap about how alcohol is bad for you. I know it all, and it's my choice. And I've been drinking for YEARS, have a great life, wonderful children, and an awesome career. Don't lecture me about alcohol. Please. Save it for the twelve year old child whose parents beat him. Sad.
As far as drug use, don't judge people, let them do whatever the hell they want...it's their life, it's their choice.
Lay off...
If it helps you to have lucid dreams, go for it...
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Originally Posted by SKA
Alcohal causes many many deaths, correct.
But if the population theoretically used Psychadellics on the same scale as alcohal- The deaths from them would be higher (Imagine driving under the influence of Shrooms/LSD / The biggest cause of death from alcohal- And don't try to say the mass populations wouldn't drive under the influence:p )-, and so would many other things such as mental illnesses etc.
Also, I think perception really is reality in the sense that THC makes you think more "intelligently". It may switch the thought process up a bit, but in no way while I was sober would I ever think some of the "dumb" tings I do while High. (Thinking i ripped my "ball sack", thinking that someone asking me for the time is the funniest thing ever, thinking a house is evil)
Also, harm from drugs/alcohal can't always be measured physically. One of the biggest problems with pot users is the morale and desire to succeed. They are generally lazy. Sure, not everyone who smokes pot is, but pot can be very mentaly addicting and can cause alot of life obsticales. Make it legal and watch this fact increase 2 fold- Just like alcohalics.
I am in no way defending Alcohal, I think it is VERY dangerous. But I am putting things into perspective that havn't been put in yet.
(Also I've seen a post or two where you were talking about having plenty of drinks yourself SKA;) )
I'm just adding a little fuel to the fire. But SKA, for your attempt at WILDing with weed, read my post before this one, just a bit up, at the bottom. I think you'll find it much easier if you used that sequence of events.
:bang: Seriously, just shut up about the ramifications, ethics, and health risks of drug use. Its completely irrelevant to the topic. This goes for people defending drugs as well. Just don't respond when someone brings it up.
As far as the topic goes, I do a significant amount of acid and I've found that it is the worst drug to take when dreaming is involved. With weed, you can sleep while you are on the drug and your dreams are effected by it, but with acid you can't sleep while you're on it and your brain is so tired when you come down that I very rarely remember any dreams at all, let alone become lucid.
I've had friends that have fallen asleep however just before acid completely leaves their systems and have described some trippy dreams so it is possible and none of them knew much about lucid dreaming so it would be interesting to try if you had the ability to fall asleep during a trip.
Agreed...
Are you joking? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaltoa
You know why it's illegal?Quote:
...its medicine...seriously...the Government coined it 'drug'...and we ALL know how the government handles things they disagree with...its hard to say we have a good government...
Its because the Mexican slaves used to use it on the job to heal the pain.
Same with Opium-Chinese.
Same with Cocaine-African American.
Same with almost every other drug.
Why do you think drugs such as Saliva, Nitrous, etc is legal?
People may think that Nitrous isn't a drug, but that was the main purpose for it before people realized that it could burn. Know that gas that they give you at the dentist? Thats nitrous.