hi, i wasn't sure if this suited newbie zone..but iv done heaps of reading so i thought id post this here.

iv been trying the WILD method with little success..i just need more practice... but i thought id try one of the other WBTB methods because at the moment im not after the most vivid LD i can get...just regular lucidity.

The only thing im not understanding...is how these techniques even work.

"4:Stay awake for 60-90 minutes(90 reccomended) writing and reading in your dream journal, and doing a lot of reality checks, and staying focused on dreaming(focused but not stressing)

5:Go to sleep and(*) think about your last dream, or imagine walking around a dreamscape. Nowhere special, just walking around anywhere

6:keep thinking \"I am dreaming\" but don't stress yourself"

sounds significantly easier than WILD....but how does this make me lucid? this is just making me fall back asleep without the focus on keeping the mind conscious that WILD has. has anyone had much success with this?

Sleep until a little bit before dawn. *
Open your window to let fresh air into your room. (Keep it open) *
Take 5 min walk outside. (If you live in a friendly neighborhood. !Important!) *
Go back to sleep.

go back to sleep? it cant be that easy?

any tips on how this works would be appreciated, because it doesn't sound like something that i will find success with.

also the VILD tutorial...how long should one have incubated this dream for? i.e if i think of one before bed tonight can it work if i do a WBTB tonight? or do i need to have a good memory of it..maybe after a few days of thinking about it?

thanks everyone!