How to VILD effectively

Oh dear, replies have been stacking up... I'll try to answer them XD

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Originally Posted by i make it rain

this question has kind of been asked a few times but mine is a little different.

i have a pretty bad recall and i usually do not remember my dream when i wake up to do WBTB. so DEILD is out of the question. with this, would you get out of bed before VILDing or would you recommend staying in bed and just start visualizing?

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I'd recommend staying in bed personally. Unless you tend to wake up agitated or something. Some people find it easier to get up and do something monotonous or they'll never get back to sleep. Just do what you think feels best at the time.

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Originally Posted by lagunagirl

excellent!! One question though
I have a hard time imagining the feel of something. I can get visuals and sound very easily, I just have a hard time with imagining the way things feel. Did you already mention the exercise you had for us if we weren't good at that? Cause if you did I think I missed it. If not I would like to know how I can get better at it.

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Heh, I was gonna have an exercise, wasn't I? XD

But then I realized that I didn't have anything that was better then trying to learn a feeling be experiencing it in real life then trying to imagine it (as described at the bottom of the first post)

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Originally Posted by Ivi942

While reading your tut I started visualizing the lake you wrote about. But since I had trouble vizualizing the mountains and the smell of the lake. I imagined myself standing in front of the sea, wind blowing through my hair and the fresh sea air... It was really fantastic!
But I have a question. When I imagine myself touching something e.g. an apple it feels as if there is another me whom is doing all that and sending me the feeling. It's really odd. Does everyone feel like that?
Anyway I'll try it out tonight.

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Just before I answer your question, great work with the scene choosing. Thats exactly how you should do it =)

Yeah, often touch can feel quite strange but that is okay. You are just at a low level of self-delusion at first. Ignore all weird stuff like that and keep exploring and making awesome dream scenes.

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Originally Posted by Elite Dreamer

Where I read about the VILD technique, it went further and said that it helps to figure out a scenario that helps you become lucid like meeting someone at the lake to tell you that you're dreaming or to tell you to do a reality check. My scenario is at my girlfriends house and I'm standing outside her door and she tells me that I'm dreaming and opens the door. Then as soon as I go through the door I enter a Lucid Dream. I want to actually go through the scenario with her and film it too so I can get a more detailed feel of what it should be like. Then I can watch the footage over and over.

( My girlfriend will think I'm crazy :P )

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Haha, don't make it too awkward between the two of you. Real life > dreams always.

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Originally Posted by Elwood

Thanks Arby! I've been working on a new method of straight to bed technique, and this definitely helped.

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Good to know I helped =)

I think your original post was a great addition and help to many.

Tonight I will use this method of entering into a WILD in conjunction with my normal meditation. I will also be using B-6 and some nicotine gum. I will post the results in the thread I'm using to keep a record of my experiences with different supplements.

Okay I am sorta confused with your technique I am eager to try so here are my questions. . .

Well lets say I tried right here at my desk wouldn't I be asleep once i got into th lucid dream or is it kind off a hallucination but wouldn't you need sp so you wouldn't act out your dream????

Also what times do you reccommend you try it???etc. before bed after bed midday???

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Originally Posted by mandy2583

Okay I am sorta confused with your technique I am eager to try so here are my questions. . .

Well lets say I tried right here at my desk wouldn't I be asleep once i got into th lucid dream or is it kind off a hallucination but wouldn't you need sp so you wouldn't act out your dream????

Also what times do you reccommend you try it???etc. before bed after bed midday???

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Don't try it at your desk and hope to succeed =P (at least, not if you have no VILD/V-WILD experience)

Try it at the normal tech times such as DEILD time.

I'm looking into the visualisation techs to help try the new GILD/MFG but your point about building yourself and 'feeling' clothes might not be quite correct because when you first put clothes on you do feel them yes. But once you have had a shirt on for a while you don't notice it, that isn't your consciousness forgetting it but your body's nerves in that area actually slow down and some shutoff, there is a name for it but I can't remember what its called. The point is, if your body feels something the same continually it shuts off to it, lest your mind get overloaded with too much petty sensory info.
Good tut though :)

Cheers

I'm getting pretty good at this! (Though I still have a looooong way to go ;)). I'm pretty good at what I see and hear in the dream, but the taste and smell feel really weird :P.
I once tried Vilding while riding in a car, I imagined I grew wings and flew above the car(It's really hard to feel both the arms and the wings >_<). Then I nearly fell asleep, but somebody woke me up :eek:.
Also, I noticed a weird thing - whenever I try to fall asleep and there's some noise around me, my mind sorta takes the sounds and makes it into background music or something :shock: Like the car noises - there was some odd tune playing in my dream the whole time :D
I'm gonna try Vilding again tonight :)

This sounds pretty friggin' sweet. I'm going to try this tonight.

But I'm still going to haunt you for killing me in that thread. -_<

I think you're on the right track, but oversimplifying. We have many more than 5 senses, and most of them are just generalizations anyway. For example, we have a sense of balance and a sense of pain, but both are often assumed to be part of our sense of touch, though they've been otherwise for over 100 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense

You don't need 500 different senses for and LD. How about heat and cold? Does anyone ever care whether they are affected by temperature in LDs? Though not.

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Originally Posted by Happiness is a Warm Gun

I think you're on the right track, but oversimplifying. We have many more than 5 senses, and most of them are just generalizations anyway. For example, we have a sense of balance and a sense of pain, but both are often assumed to be part of our sense of touch, though they've been otherwise for over 100 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense

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VERY interesting.

By touch, I meant to include those although now that they are brought to my specific attention, they are pretty large players of their own. I do not believe that balance and temperature are necessary to induce a V-WILD, however. I essentially touched on kinesthetic sense and kinesthetic sense should be decently automatic in a dream due to your innate knowledge of everything existing in the dream.

I will start experimenting, however. I'm really curious how much more realism I could add by inducing these senses. I am even more curious what I can do by warping these senses as well and taking them past human barriers. Imagine extreme heat or extreme cold without pain =D

Then, I noticed a list of non-human senses. These shall be interesting to play with indeed.

In short, I'm going to do some tests and trials and i'll report back with any VILD-related info or modifications I stumble upon.

Hey, sweet tutorial, I've got some questions though on the transition to dream phase.

For example, it just kinda jumps over the whole move to dream thing very quickly. So I'll be visualizing, but I can do that anywhere. You also say imagine yourself doing something, but I can also do that anywhere.

And when I do imagine myself doing something in my head, I do it, then it's over. I'm still totally aware that I'm awake and if I try to move I actually move in bed, and ruin the whole thing.

Hope you can help.

It's a matter of really immersing yourself in the dream. Create a character, create a plot, explore... Find interest in your dreamscape. There has to be something going on that interests you.

I still find visualization out of all of the senses the hardest.

This may sound like nonsense but...

I feel as if I keep trying to paint the image on my eye lids, however when I am doing it good I feel as if I am trying to "feel" the image, hard to discribe other then I try to recreate everything I feel when I am focusing on any given thing in my field of vision. The feeling isn't a normal emotion it not only defines the image but it mimics what it feels like to beable to see, what I feel like with my eyes open.

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Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

I feel as if I keep trying to paint the image on my eye lids, however when I am doing it good I feel as if I am trying to "feel" the image, hard to discribe other then I try to recreate everything I feel when I am focusing on any given thing in my field of vision. The feeling isn't a normal emotion it not only defines the image but it mimics what it feels like to beable to see, what I feel like with my eyes open.

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I think that was very well worded =)

Thanks for the first answer, second question,

When do you recommend doing this, and how much like a WILD is it?

For instance, should I relax a while before visualizing, or just immediately start picturing my dreamscape.

Second question, the WILD one. Should I be counting my breaths or the other methods of keeping aware? Should I be expecting SP while I'm visualizing? And should I be doing WBTB for this particular method?

Thanks, I know it's a load to answer but I'm a nembie, it's what happens:)

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Originally Posted by a_friend543

Thanks for the first answer, second question,

When do you recommend doing this, and how much like a WILD is it?

For instance, should I relax a while before visualizing, or just immediately start picturing my dreamscape.

Second question, the WILD one. Should I be counting my breaths or the other methods of keeping aware? Should I be expecting SP while I'm visualizing? And should I be doing WBTB for this particular method?

Thanks, I know it's a load to answer but I'm a nembie, it's what happens:)

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First part: you should be in a situation where you are relaxed enough that you could fall asleep.

Second part: No, you don't really need to stay aware unless you are having problems falling into non-lucids or semi-lucids with this method. The point is that you pull yourself into a lucid with no real break in awareness.

SP might happen but your awareness of your real body will have faded away so much that you will not notice.

A WBTB or dream re-entry are very powerful when combined with this method. Although, they are not required. (But HIGHLY recommended for starting)

I've got another question - you wrote that when I'm already dreaming, I can tell that I'm dreaming because the dream isn't gonna be controlled by me anymore(you imagine everything in the dream and suddenly there's something you didn't imagine.).
Well the problem is, whenever I try to Vild ,I almost don't imagine anything - everything appears sort of unconsciously. So I don't really know how to notice that I'm already dreaming :roll:
Sorry if that sounded confusing.

i like this technique im going to use it in my afternoon nap!
ill pin you in on the results when i wake up!!

Hmm, your VILD method raises a question for me.

When you create the scene in your head, can you add in a song in some sort and start dancing to it when you see fit?

:boogie: *Dances to some music*

Hey, thanks for this tut. Im just confused as to turning around. After you create your dreamscape then turn around, do you have to imagine what it will look like before you turn around or will you dream mind create it- if that makes sense.

Also, do you get the sensations of SP like when doing a WILD?

Do you need to be in REM, or be able to fall asleep into it, to do this technique? Or is anytime good?

EDIT: I'm talking about if you have a lot of experience in this technique, not a beginner.

I still havn't given up on visualization, I keep refining my thoughts of it too, they don't change much but I'm able to grasp the concept better. I'd have to say it is like imagining the experience of physically seeing something reather then just trying to build it in your mind peice by peice. This makes sense to me because it is easier to visualize with your eyes open, basically your mind is able to grasp the experience of seeing something when your actually in the experience, in the same way that when you walk into a house even though you don't see the whole house your memory of it can come back because it unlocks memory connections in the brain. I mean this might be obvious to some of us, but some people just think of a house in the form of the details it makes up and don't see anything, because they have got to think of the experience of seeing, not the little details, and drawing it all out.

Hi, I attempted this method last night, and managed to get to the 'stabilize' phase when i fell asleep. are you supposed to try this really really tired? cuz i had trouble visualizing, but if i was awake enough to visualize, i wouldnt start dreaming...

Oh, one more thing I'd like to add, I tried this last night with a WBTB and I had three short semi-lucids (they were pretty unstable though). I can say that those are the best results I ever got on my first try of a tech.

Ah, lots of replies since I last checked.

Ivi, would you describe it as a functional dreamscape or a flash/amalgamation of different sights/things that rush by pretty quickly?

Zaph: I don't see any problem with music. Indeed, dancing might be a good idea =)

Ozzi: You shouldn't have to think about/repaint the landscape as you turn. IF you have to, that means that instead of your hand being "physical" in your mind, it's just a drawing on your mind's eye. once you can get things to be "physical" and stable though stimulation of the senses, it'll fill itself in.

I've not encountered SP much doing V-WILD

poj: REM periods seriously help. This has been tried and tested and is essentially fact. Trying when you have no chance of REM is only useful for fooling around-not if you want to induce something for the sake of LDing

LDG: I think I see what you're getting at. I'd have to say that I agree.

You're getting your own theories and ideas, which is awesome. The V-WILD field seriously need some people to attack the underlying theory. I'd be thrilled on day if you made your own V-WILD tech =D

Xanadu: Really? I find visualization flows more easily when I'm tired. Well, some kinds of tired make me not in the mood but normally It's helpful

poj again: sounds great =)