VWTPIWBTBILD The Technique In My Sig Explained/Mini-Tutorial

**Oneironaught** · 08-14-2007 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Brandon Heat

If you do it right it will always work you must of done something wrong.

Your technique is similar to what I'd assume a lot of people have done - basically a combo of "standards" - so I agree that it's a useful way of going about it. I've never put too much pressure on any one method, making this a good route to go down. It's always most profitable to employ as many methods as you can handle.

However, I must disagree that any technique will "always work". Claiming that is very misleading to those who try to follow your instruction. Some people have very good success with a given method but, to claim that if some one doesn't have success they must be "doing it wrong" is unfair and discouraging to others.

As I've said many times, LDing techniques are about increasing the odds. No tech will work for everyone all the time. It just doesn't happen like that. So, to the other members trying Brandon's method: Keep at it and don't be misled into thinking that "you're doing something wrong" of that you're "not trying hard enough". Remember, each must try various methods and find their own sweet spot. Sometimes that sweet spot is a combo of various methods (like what Brandon describes here). Just don't fall for the hype that "this or that is guaranteed to be THE method for you" or you'll quickly become discouraged of think that you are unable to have LD success.

That said, this is a good method to use. I'm not trying to discredit Brandon at all. Just understand that we won't all have the same level of success with this method as Brandon so don't let that throw you off course. Brandon has found his personal sweet spot with the combo he mentions but we are all different.

**dodobird** · 08-14-2007 03:46 PM

Thanks Brandon, I understand it now better.
Maybe call it TVILD ( T, V = thoughts and visualization )
What I like about this technique is that it solves the problem of distracting thoughts, by using thoughts as a way to focus. You don't need to stop thinking, but instead you are supposed think about a certain topic. Respect.

**Oneironaught** · 08-14-2007 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by dodobird

...You don't need to stop thinking, but instead you are supposed think about a certain topic. Respect.

Isn't that what regular WILD is all about, keeping your mind focused on a given thing in order to keep up mental activity?

**Richter** · 08-15-2007 05:33 AM

Just wanted to say: I like your method, as it's not dependant on recalling a dream after the WBTB portion... something I fail at royally. With this method it seems one of two things will happen:

I) You'll LD!!!
II) You'll give up before you fall asleep.

I think I understand why you say one can't fail, but only give up... Ideally, the only problem I could foresee is being unable to fall asleep after WBTB, but if so the problem isn't the method; it's insomnia! I'm definitely trying this.

Oh, Oneironaught, I think many individuals believe WILD is more like meditation... i..e totally clearing the mind of all thought, except maybe focusing on breathing. I know I haven't had much success with this sort of anti-focus.

BTW, names... how about the Ai1 (All in 1) method, or the T.I.M. method (Total Induction Method)? :p

**dodobird** · 08-15-2007 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Isn't that what regular WILD is all about, keeping your mind focused on a given thing in order to keep up mental activity?

Originally Posted by Richter

Oh, Oneironaught, I think many individuals believe WILD is more like meditation... i..e totally clearing the mind of all thought, except maybe focusing on breathing. I know I haven't had much success with this sort of anti-focus.

Yes, what I meant is pretty much what Richter said. In many WILD types you are supposed to focus on something ( Counting, visualizations etc ), and use that to stop thinking about normal, everyday things such as stuff that happened to you during the day, or things you are planning to do tomorrow. The problem with this kind everyday, unintentional thoughts is that they are too random. It's a stream of consciousness, thoughts progressing from one to the other quite randomly, and after a while you forget that you are trying to WILD and fall asleep.
This technique is like fighting fire with fire, instead of using meditation techniques to stop your mind from wondering randomly, you intentionally think, but on a specific topic that interest you, and you keep thinking about this same topic.

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