Thread: 100% mastered lucidity and control ruined...

Thats why you shouldnt mess up your brain with drugs and alcohol...

Perhaps you have some underlying guilt left over from it that's causing your dreams to "malfunction".
Hopefully it's all in your head?

If you really did only try marijuana once, it shouldnt have had such a massive effect. Maybe it's a kind of placebo effect? Or maybe there's another cause for these problems, or simply getting older has affected your recall and stuff. Anyway, you can either try to figure out what's going on that's messing up your dreaming, or if you're sure that you can't really revert to that old natural lucid dreaming state, you have to take the hard way around and train yourself to LD like most people here, which should be easier for you since you already have experience with it.

Also, maybe you're just trying too hard to get your old recall/LDs back, maybe just try taking a break for a while and seeing what happens. Although I don't like to dictate how people live, it seems to me that you're obsessing a bit too much over this, which just stresses you out and messes with recall when you're frustrated about not having LDs.

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by Wildman

If you really did only try marijuana once, it shouldnt have had such a massive effect. Maybe it's a kind of placebo effect? Or maybe there's another cause for these problems, or simply getting older has affected your recall and stuff. Anyway, you can either try to figure out what's going on that's messing up your dreaming, or if you're sure that you can't really revert to that old natural lucid dreaming state, you have to take the hard way around and train yourself to LD like most people here, which should be easier for you since you already have experience with it.

Also, maybe you're just trying too hard to get your old recall/LDs back, maybe just try taking a break for a while and seeing what happens. Although I don't like to dictate how people live, it seems to me that you're obsessing a bit too much over this, which just stresses you out and messes with recall when you're frustrated about not having LDs.

Hope this helps.

As much as it seems im obsessed. LD came so naturally that it is not something i actually know how to invoke. It just happens.

Also, my loss of LDing was so sudden and abrupt. Like, after the marijuana, i didn't dream for 3 weeks. After which, when i did start dreaming again, i had my first nightmare (living one complete day of my regular life, in my dream without knowing it). Over the last 8 months, i've returned only to a milk form.

I'll definitely use these forums to try and get LDing back.

I kind of know what ur going through i had ld's bout every other night without effort for bout 2 years and now all of a sudden i have had bout 2 ld's in 3 and a half weeks and without an ld in about 2 weeks. I have no idea why this is happening, u can't lose ur ability overnight so what i am doing now is lots and lots of rc's also when something odd happens, i'v been doing it for 3 nights and in two of them i have done rc's (didn't become lucid) but i am on the right track.

Perhaps u could try this.

sounds like you are going to have to take the hard way out Start a dream journal. That helps with recall. Start doing Reality Checks. Cause those help with getting DILDs. Then I would start practicing WILD, cause with WILD you can indude lucidity whenever you want, once you have it mastered anyway.

Here is a link i made: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=41627
it has alot of questions at the front, but at the bottom it has 12 links that teach/help you learn how to WILD. good luck man.

Perhaps marijuana has given a different, perhaps more positive look at this waking reality that you once thought sucked enough to seek refuge in the lucid dreamworld. Now that you have found more control in your life while waking, you have lost some of the ability to fully control your Ld-ing state?

well I agree w/ you. I once smoked only once or twice a week and had 10 LD's a month. I started to increase it to every night (due to the fact that it's summer and all) and have had 1 LD all month. I agree weed will mess up ur LD's. Thats why I decided to quit yesterday. Now that I think about it, its kind of a coincidence that I'm reading about this now that Im done w/ weed

Originally Posted by Conforming Non-Conformist

Perhaps marijuana has given a different, perhaps more positive look at this waking reality that you once thought sucked enough to seek refuge in the lucid dreamworld. Now that you have found more control in your life while waking, you have lost some of the ability to fully control your Ld-ing state?

Non-Conformist,

Would the fact that i totally hated the marijuana experience as a whole effect that you just said in anyway?

Also, thank you for everyone's replys, any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Dave

Originally Posted by deadly4u

Non-Conformist,

Would the fact that i totally hated the marijuana experience as a whole effect that you just said in anyway?

Also, thank you for everyone's replys, any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Dave

wait... you dont like weed?

Originally Posted by deadly4u

Non-Conformist,

Would the fact that i totally hated the marijuana experience as a whole effect that you just said in anyway?

Also, thank you for everyone's replys, any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Dave

You may not have liked it but it may have opened avenues in your mind that could have given you a different perspective in your life (*positive or negative) . Its like haveing a "bad" trip on LSD. Sure it may have been a terrifing experience and very uncomfortable but that does not rule out the chance that you may have gotten one or two ephipanies while badly tripping out.

Dave, were you worried marijuana might have a bad effect on your dreaming before you smoked it? If so it's possible that you might have unintentionally created this and it's become a self fulfilling prophesy. If that is the case then realising it, is the best way to start reversing it.

Originally Posted by Vortex

Dave, were you worried marijuana might have a bad effect on your dreaming before you smoked it? If so it's possible that you might have unintentionally created this and it's become a self fulfilling prophesy. If that is the case then realising it, is the best way to start reversing it.

Had i known that it would have caused such a devastating effect, i wouldn't have smoked it.

It was most definitely the weed, since IMMEDIATELY after smoking it, i had a super-abrupt change in the way my mind behaves when asleep.

When i was "tripping out" i didn't realize anything, i didn't think about anything other than "why the f*** did i do that?".

Thankx again for everyone's responses. Continued support and opinions are welcome.

As for the effects smoking weed had on you just once, i'm dumbfounded. I've smoked weed countless times over the past year and have had a few LD's without really trying hard. I don't understand how it could ruin your entire experience, and not just a night or two of dreaming, as it does for most of us. For me smoking weed will defininately reduce the chance of having any dreams. Though after a day or two of no pot my dreams will return to normal, if not slightly more abudant for a few day's. I personally think your symptoms are psychological, as I really can't think of anything else that would explain this.

Good luck...

EDIT: After re-reading your previous post and a few others I started thinking. Have you done any other drugs, alcohol or anything? Your making a huge deal out of smoking a natural herb that humans have used for thousands of years. It can't harm you, though true not everyone enjoys it. I don't mean to insult at all, but it seems you've blown this experiance way out of proportion. Perhaps making peace with it will help?

Originally Posted by deadly4u

When i was "tripping out" i didn't realize anything, i didn't think about anything other than "why the f*** did i do that?".

Sounds like maybe since your experience was horrific that you may have some post traumatic stress. PTSD is more common than most people think and that may be what has messed up your ability to LD. But I second what the others said about starting over from scratch. Also you may want to go to some counseling for the traumatic experience. Don't be ashamed because it was from a so called "drug", shit happens.

Dave, I had a non-lucid dream last night, where me and you were in a mausoleum. We'd hid and waited until it had closed for the night so we could "break out your dream guide" who was imprisoned in a tomb inside a glass room, unfortunately one of the workers leaving late saw our torch light and came to see who it was, so we had to pretend we'd got locked in by mistake.

I stopped smoking cannibus for awhile when I realized I stopped dreaming as well. It DOES decrease (don't ask me to cite papers, though) your REM sleep, or at least your ability to remember dreams.

HOWEVER

I also know that cannibus is a wise teacher, albiet one we have abused and now turned into a merely recreational pursuit. Being aware of your dreams is beautiful, but perhaps, like it was mentioned before, you need some more grounding in this reality. You said you had a SECOND LIFE. That strikes me as...suspicious, not to mention the amount time you've spent (after saying how little free time you have) trying to 'get LDs back'. Something's fishy here.

Your screen name 'deadly4u'. Whats that all about? Whats so deadly? Cannibus? Not having LD's? Dude, dreams are just as important as waking life. Your aware (mostly) of your daily life for what, 16 hours a day? Your freaking about losing a few short mintues of LDing? Sounds like your perspective is a bit unbalanced. You said 'real life sucks'. Sounds like you need to relax, and live in the moment a bit more, turn on some bob marely and - Wait! I know just what you need!

You need to smoke some more cannibus. Seriously. I'm not being pretentious or sarcastic. Though the lead up was a bit staged, I think going back to this teacher might yield some wise insights. LIke the zen master who smacks you on the head with a stick. You don't just say OW and leave, do you? No! You keep going back until you understand the truth your teacher was showing you. Maybe your being smacked into consciousness. Maybe cannibus is teaching you to WAKE UP in your daily life? You said you didn't like it. What was your set and setting? How did you smoke it? Where did it come from? How were you feeling (set and setting again)? Most people that smoke cannibus don't get much effect the first time. You seem the rare exception.

I say you need to smoke a joint by YOURSELF, in total, silent darkness. You'll learn everything you need to learn. Ask the plant teacher a question. You WILL get an answer, I promise. Treat it with respect, and all will be well. No student lays the blame of their ignorance at the feet of their teacher.

Exactly.

Sounds like you blew it. Oh well...if you're the type that believes in re-incarnation, there's always a second chance when your re-born

That is VERY strange that smoking marijuana would affect you like that, for that long. Although, my uncle recently quit smoking pot and has regained alot of dream recall, so maybe weed effects your memory the way it does everybody else but to a far greater extent. If what you're saying is true, my heart goes out to you. I'm sure it will dissipate.

If this means anything to you: I used to smoke weed, but didn't like it, because it made me self-conscious, paranoid, and obsessive compulsive. I tried shrooms 4 times and never got over the feeling I got the first time. It gave me a (mostly negatively and) completely different perspective on reality. Do you feel anything similar to that in any way at all in your waking life after smoking pot? Although pot is nowhere as fucked as a true psychedelic it could warp things for you for a long time I suspect, depending on the individual.

I say start at the newbie forums people there might be able to help.
By the way look at my signiture it may deliver inspiration

Originally Posted by SPaMx182

Thats why you shouldnt mess up your brain with drugs and alcohol...

THANKYOU!

Originally Posted by Vortex

Dave, I had a non-lucid dream last night, where me and you were in a mausoleum. We'd hid and waited until it had closed for the night so we could "break out your dream guide" who was imprisoned in a tomb inside a glass room, unfortunately one of the workers leaving late saw our torch light and came to see who it was, so we had to pretend we'd got locked in by mistake.

what is a "dream guide"

Dave, do you think you might be getting LD's, but you're not remembering them? I once got a dryspell like yours only much shorter, where I could not remember a single dream however hard I tried. I had been smoking pot with my friends (I had just finished my first college exams) and when I left on vacation I stopped. One month later I suddenly had the greatest LD ever, and somehow I knew I had been having lucid dreams but I never remembered them when I woke up, so i made a point of waking up and writing it down quickly. My lucids have been getting better ever since. Maybe what you're experiencing is the same only on a larger scale for some reason. I don't know how to solve your problem, but maybe my story will help