Thread: Getting to SP actively ("second eyelid")

In WILD discussions people advise to be passive in order to reach sleep paralysis and most usually say they take some time to reach the state.

I still haven't been able to successfully have a WILD (almost there) but getting SP is rather easy (after some hours of sleep of course).
Through my on and off attempts about a year ago I discovered that it was possible to reach SP quickly with an active method.

When you close your eyelids total darkness doesn't come, you still see those colours and lights similar to HI. The trick to reach SP is also closing the "second eyelids" (it doesn't seem very much darker but rather "deeper").
I achieve that by what can best be described as looking up (I don't think my eyes actually move) and "closing" an invisible second set of eyelids. When I do that and keep my mind empty (after 5-6 hours of sleep), immediately I start to feel a light version of the sinking sensation that precedes SP (the more relaxed my body his the strong the sensation is). After that, in a matter of seconds or few minutes (depends on how much concentrated and relaxed I am) I get THE sinking sensation and SP sets in.


Just wanted to share this "method" with you and know if anyone else has done it before.

Does that mean reverse-blinking isn't very effective? Now I'm confused

I dont understand how to close my "second eyelids" can you me explain again?

I think he may mean that he can feel his dream eyes and he's closing them. Im probably wrong...

I didn't mean I actually feel second eyelids, but that's the best way to describe it, like closing dream eyes as Xyn puts it.

You focus your eyes upwards and it's like imaginary eyelids are closing, feels like you're not looking at anything.

Oh alright =)

Originally Posted by cygnus

Does that mean reverse-blinking isn't very effective? Now I'm confused

Reverse blinking is super effective, i've used it many times. It can help induce a trance state, bring on serious HI and even somehow stimulates DILD's for some of us. This second set of eyelids thing does sound very intriguing though.

I totally know what you mean (I think ) I started doing that "closing the dream eyes" thing a few months ago, didn't really do anything with it, but I did notice that when I did it and continued to do it when falling asleep, that I fell asleep a lot quicker.
I will definitely try this method. It is very hard to explain what to do with the eyes but I think you did a good job!

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

In WILD discussions people advise to be passive in order to reach sleep paralysis and most usually say they take some time to reach the state.

I still haven't been able to successfully have a WILD (almost there) but getting SP is rather easy (after some hours of sleep of course).
Through my on and off attempts about a year ago I discovered that it was possible to reach SP quickly with an active method.

When you close your eyelids total darkness doesn't come, you still see those colours and lights similar to HI. The trick to reach SP is also closing the "second eyelids" (it doesn't seem very much darker but rather "deeper").
I achieve that by what can best be described as looking up (I don't think my eyes actually move) and "closing" an invisible second set of eyelids. When I do that and keep my mind empty (after 5-6 hours of sleep), immediately I start to feel a light version of the sinking sensation that precedes SP (the more relaxed my body his the strong the sensation is). After that, in a matter of seconds or few minutes (depends on how much concentrated and relaxed I am) I get THE sinking sensation and SP sets in.


Just wanted to share this "method" with you and know if anyone else has done it before.

How can you NOT WILD once you've entered SP? I don't understand it...I presumed SP was the hurdle, not WILD'ing after you've entered SP. What's holding you back? o.0

I can reach sp easily, so far all the times i have got to it i haven't tried but still. I wake up in the middle of the night and just let my mind wander and then before i know it i am in sp. I haven't tried to induce a lucid yet from this so i don't know how hard it is.

(during this week I was away with no internet, left a note about it on the signature but apparently it was not activated)

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

How can you NOT WILD once you've entered SP? I don't understand it...I presumed SP was the hurdle, not WILD'ing after you've entered SP. What's holding you back? o.0

The hard part for me is to ignore the sp hallucinations (I get alot of those) and to slip into a dream.

Lately I have been trying almost everyday, and only two times I got close to ld through WILD, but it was a kind of cheating:

- In the first almost-successful attempt I managed to not get physical sensations and got rid of the feeling of being in bed, HI started but then I lost consciousness. A few seconds or minutes (probably) later I "woke up" in a surreal scenery, after a brief wtf moment I remembered I was attempting to WILD and tried to move but still felt a bit stuck and eventually woke up.
- The second time I achieved it much more quickly and unintentionally (woke up, closed eyes with intentions to sleep and it appeared out of the blue), although the dream was 100% vivid it was very unstable too and only lasted 5 seconds (I don't think I was paralysed in this one).

The physical sensations thing is very frustrating, no matter how hard I try to detach sometimes it's just impossible to not pay attention to them, it's like my mind is plotting against me. 6 hours from now I'll be trying something like transflux's techniques.


Good to know that most of you understood or already knew what I was talking about with the "second eyelids". Post back the results.


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Haha... the new signature only appears in posts after the alteration. But now that I removed it in the control panel it also got removed from the post.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

How can you NOT WILD once you've entered SP? I don't understand it...I presumed SP was the hurdle, not WILD'ing after you've entered SP. What's holding you back? o.0

Don't assume that SP and WILD necessarily go hand in hand; they don't. They often do but they don't have to . In most of my successful WILDs, I never experienced SP while still awake. And I've also experienced SP without WILD.

Scatterbrain:
I know what you mean by closing your second eyelids, as I have been meditating for years now and I use this method from time to time to get some deeper experience. I haven't tried to do it for lucid dreams but will give it a try tonight.
Thanks, sea bee (a sailor forever)

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

In WILD discussions people advise to be passive in order to reach sleep paralysis and most usually say they take some time to reach the state.

I still haven't been able to successfully have a WILD (almost there) but getting SP is rather easy (after some hours of sleep of course).
Through my on and off attempts about a year ago I discovered that it was possible to reach SP quickly with an active method.

When you close your eyelids total darkness doesn't come, you still see those colours and lights similar to HI. The trick to reach SP is also closing the "second eyelids" (it doesn't seem very much darker but rather "deeper").
I achieve that by what can best be described as looking up (I don't think my eyes actually move) and "closing" an invisible second set of eyelids. When I do that and keep my mind empty (after 5-6 hours of sleep), immediately I start to feel a light version of the sinking sensation that precedes SP (the more relaxed my body his the strong the sensation is). After that, in a matter of seconds or few minutes (depends on how much concentrated and relaxed I am) I get THE sinking sensation and SP sets in.


Just wanted to share this "method" with you and know if anyone else has done it before.

what is an sp??

Locked due to necro-posting; this thread is almost four years old.

In the future Dreamerboyy, be sure to check the date of the last post just so you're not reviving a stale thread!

As for your question, LD stands for "lucid dream", and the other acronyms are the different techniques used to induce lucid dreams. DILD is "dream induced lucid dream", WILD is "wake induced lucid dream", MILD is "mnemonic induced lucid dream", and DEILD is "dream exit initiated lucid dream". For more info on techniques, be sure to read through the Dreamviews Wiki!