Thread: VILD Questions...

Alright so I have some questions about the VILD technique. I am interested in this as I always have used my imagination to relax myself so that I fall asleep. Some questions though...

1) When attempting to do a VILD is the point trying to fall asleep and then hope that the suggestion puts you in the same situation where you, hopefully, realize that you are dreaming, or is it more like a WILD where you get transitioned into it? If so is it as hard as a WILD to do? How long, etc.

2)How tired should I be? Should it be a WBTB?

3)To do a WBTB what is the best way to actually wake up after 5 hours? Alarms don't always wake me up that early as I am half asleep and just turn it off without realizing. What is a good way to wake up and remember?

4)Why does this work? How come in the past while imagining I have never experienced a LD? What do I have to do different.

And anything else. Right now I am just getting as much information as I can and I thought that a VILD would be an interesting way to try and get a LD. If all else fails I will fall asleep and be able to work on dream recall.

EDIT:

Alright so also have a question about reality checks. Bear with me I am a noob.

5)Right now I am leaning towards doing a reality check passing through every doorway. Tough but effective. Now a question about RCs. What am I supposed to be doing? I look at my hands, "Oh cool" and walk away. I actually remember dream where I look at my hands for no reason. Mild frustration. Anyway's what am I actually supposed to be thinking? Am I supposed to try and get them to melt and then when they don't I say to myself it's not a dream. If so will this not happen exactly the same way in the dream?

I dont know too much about VILD but I remember a few things I read that may help

1) either. Some people make a scene and WILD with it. other people will 'incubate it' and fall asleep and hope that they 'dream about the scene'. Id say if you are a beginner you should try falling alseep with it on your mind, not WILDING.

2) if you WILD with your scene...Id say definately WBTB. However, if you wish to 'fall asleep' with it in your mind then either CAN work. HOWEVER, WBTB WILL BE MORE SUCCESFUL

3) a number of ways...
my favourite is I get my mobile fone...and use the alarm on that. The fact you have to look at a bright screen to turn it off helps you concentrate.

and if it vibrates put it in your pillow. you will have to find it and that wakes you up.

OR...some people like putting there alarm on the other side of the room. ie you have to get up to turn it off

thats it for my personal tips. I find, the days that I turn my alarm off and go back to sleep are days Im a) not motivated enough or b) too tired from the week

4) Im pretty sure it works because your VILD scene integrates a reality check. If you keep 'playing' your dream over and over and over again. then hopefully, you will dream about the scene and because it involves a reality check...BAM! Lucid!



5) if you have decided you want to use your hands for RCs...try this
1.look at your hands
2. try to count your fingers (sometimes you will have extras....or they will be too 'blurry' to count)
3. try to poke a finger through your other hand
4. think to yourself "could this really be a dream???"

I use a digital watch for my RCs. If you have one, I reconmend those...but WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE its important that you REALLY THINK IF YOU COULD BE DREAMING. if you just say 'just practiscing' or 'I know im not dreaming, Im just testing'...then you are dooming yourself to failure.


hope this helps, sorry If i missed something!

1) Neither. You visualize it and put yourself in it. VILD is a dream thats pretty much created by you.

2) If your body's tired: good. Your mind is tired: bad. WBTB helps but isn't essential

4) you have to immerse yourself completely in the dream world. Not just sight, but the other senses such as touch. For a VILD, weak imagery is nothing. You have to drive the dream home.

Great answers thanks. I still don't really get my first question though. Is it a real LD? Is it actually a dream then? After I become aware of the fact that I have fallen "unconscious" (sp?) will it be like any ofther dream/LD?

Originally Posted by tsolless

Great answers thanks. I still don't really get my first question though. Is it a real LD? Is it actually a dream then? After I become aware of the fact that I have fallen "unconscious" (sp?) will it be like any ofther dream/LD?

Yeah, once you get the visualization to stabilize, it becomes a dream. After a time, the dream scenery will no longer be created by "you". Its a process that takes a bit of time but you can speed it up by rolling with the dream and letting the visualization become automatic. (although, not to the point that everything goes random, haywire then the dream implodes)

Alright that's more or less what I though. Thanks for the answers. I'll probably try this sometime. If nothing else it will be a good way to fall asleep.