Thread: Counting during WILD

Originally posted by blackshampagne
Counting should help people remain conscience...seems easier than visualizing to drive, do math, etc.


What do you guys do during WILD?

that never worked for me. I think i even went up to 200 until i quit. I've only done WILD once, but what i did was just visualize myself looking at the clouds in the sky and if a stray thought appeared then i just plopped it onto the cloud and it would float awayy...worked for me *shrugs*

I heard that somewhere as well, the counting thing. Seems like a good idea. I've tried it before, though, and I kept messing up on my numbers because I was losing my concentration. I'd be like, "31..32..33..17..8.. wait, what??!......1..2..3.."

I just sort of focus on my room. And then somehow I feel like my bed is flying off somewhere. Ooh also, I have a clock that's kind of loud, and I listen to it ticking away.

I read that some people have success by counting 1"im dreaming"2"im dreaming" and so on. I tried it and try to picture the numbers in my head. After i get up to 100 i can usually start to see them, then i stop and wait. Usually after counting in far enough into the WILD were im on the verge of entering the dream so it works out for me.

if your in a trance like state close to the entrance into the dream, alot of the time you can't count in order. There is a point when you just say the first number that comes to mind. I like the 1 "i'm dreaming" thing. I will have to try it tonght.

I have found that using the counting technique, you can eliminate all extraneous thoughts by visualising a white peice of paper and as you say the number in your head, visualise it being written on the paper with a big black marker pen. Always count down aswell, it seems to coerce you towards a more relaxed state.

I only use counting to 100 and breathing as relaxation exercise.

Few times attempts to count during WILD failed miserably I couldnt concentrate, as like scwiggle said, kept missing the numbers. Then at times I drifted off daydreaming of something :/

I use counting, but only after I am almost back asleep. If I start counting too soon, all I do is lay there and count.

WILDS are too damned hard +

*sighs*

yeah they are.

concured

Originally posted by CT
WILDS are too damned hard +

Yes, but OMFG! What an experience! I still cannot do them at will! Oh well, maybe in a few years...

I thing the hardness of ataining WILD lie in the attitude and dedications against lucid dreaming. Ive noticed myself, how i think about WILD before trying to do it. Its like ive almost given up before i even atempt some times. Thats a dangerous habit, and it have many times had me given up just because i think i cant do it while lying there. "Maybe tomorrow.. time to get som sleep". I have problems getting deep and concentrate. While i lie in bed it feels like im not getting anywhere and then i get this have to move urge. More practice needed. Its irretating cause the very first time i tried WILD, i got to the vibration level really easy, and it scared the bahjesus out of me . Since it i havent been that close. But its good to have that experience cause i know that if i have the right attitude, conentration and dedication i can do it anytime i like.

I still can't stay calm enough during the vibrations. My heart starts beating faster and I start getting all alert.. *sigh*

It's getting to the vibration phase that causes me the most trouble. After the vibrations start, I just ride them into the dream.

yeah, getting to the vibration phase was the hardest for me to.

Just ignore the fading and go along with my dream as if nothing is happening. That works all the time with me.

I have just tried using a 61 point relaxation method to fall asleep and had a WILD the second time I used it . I used it in a combination with a WBTB method...
That was my first Ultra high resolution LD... perhaps it is just a coincidence. I will continue to try it and post the results. Meanwhile, is anybody using a 61 point method to fall asleep?

ALES

I actually don't know what the 61 point method is, could you explain it?

Oh wait... is that where you focus on various points on your body, one at a time? I think I remember seeing a numbered diagram somewhere.

Originally posted by Ales
I have just tried using a 61 point relaxation method to fall asleep and had a WILD the second time I used it . I used it in a combination with a WBTB method...
That was my first Ultra high resolution LD... perhaps it is just a coincidence. I will continue to try it and post the results. Meanwhile, is anybody using a *61 point method to fall asleep?

ALES

is interested....

If im not mistaken that was a relaxtion technique monroe made, for relaxing all the muscles(dah) before trying to wild. It has an logic way to jump from a muscle to the next in a pattern that is easy to remember. And with some visualization, all the muscles will get deeply relaxed. Ive tried this once to. I didnt try to WILD but i noticed i got extremely deep when i was finished. A fine way to keep concentrated in that downhill towards a WILD.

Sounds complicated. I think the more I think about relaxing the less relaxed Ill be!

Yes I know, it sounds complicated - 61 points, I thought that too in the beginning, but the pattern in which you move from one point to the other is very simple and easy to remember. Besides, you don't have to go through all the points. The trick is that you try not to think of anything elese while concentrating on those points. It is therefore a very good concentration exercise and concentration the most important thing in your LD.

ALES

Still sounds a lot more complicated then the way I do it.....laying down and and just chillin works for me. Of course we're all different but I cant imagine going through point systems, counting up, counting down....etc. It'd keep me awake.