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I just thought of a question after I read one of your replies, Adam.
Once my body feels heavy and numb, I can induce some physical sensations pretty easily. I feel like I'm being swung on the horizontal, or rolling around. They feel rather strong (maybe not as strong as you describe) and I'm not in SP. How far along does that mean I am? Should I try entering a dream then?
Just wanted to say, this guide is extremely well written! I can't wait to try this out. I'll post back any success/questions. Thanks for sharing! :)
I tried this again last night, Adam. Great success!
I was on my back imagining my body falling backwards, and that my bedsheets were like a parachute that the wind was pressing against me as I fell. Like I was falling through space while wrapped in a bedsheet.
I hit sleep paralysis and started feeling my body humming and vibrating like mad. My girlfriend kept kicking me, so I kept popping out of SP. Once I was in, it was pretty easy to return, so after about an hour of trying not to get mad at the lady, I finally hit a great bout of SP.
I decided it was time to finally enter a dream, so I started imagining the feeling of floating upwards. I was trying to make it as vivid as possible, and next think I knew, I slammed against my ceiling. I reached out my hands and felt the texture of the ceiling for a minute or two to make sure I was 100% locked in the dream, then I opened my eyes. I then started climbing around on the ceiling like spiderman.
This whole time, I was listening to a man and a woman discussing Tax Law. They were talking about the alternative minimum tax and how it didn't allow for the deduction of wholesale grocery purchases at your farmer's market.
I was crawling on the ceiling trying to figure out what the hell they were talking about. As I turned the corner to climb down my bedroom wall, I felt a huge gust of wind, and looked down to find myself outside, on the side of a tall building above an outdoor farmers market. The two people talking were walking along the street far below me.
Adam: Thanks for the tutorial, I found it very informative. One question if I may? Can you use pain, or discomfort, as the sensations you work with to get to WILD, or does the sensations have to be more comfortable? Do you imagine the sensations, or wait for them to appear on their own? Thanks for the feedback. Best sea bee, (a sailor forever)
WOW sorry for the late replies guys - my work Laptop is being monitored since they found 144 viruses on there so can't get on during the day at the moment lol.
Will try answer best all your questions below :)
Seems like you were experiencing HI See original post for link to explanation of this). To be honest I never experience this when I WILD - I developed this technique for this very reason, because I couldn't get to HI when I tried to WILD so needed to reach lucidity another way. Was the twiching so bad it had an adverse affect on your efforts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel
Awesome! So glad it worked for you! How dramatic were the sensations for you? What did you feel? Falling, swinging etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot Maker
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Hey thanks for the message and good luck! Let me know how you get on :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kaeraz
Seems you are pretty much there. When you get these strong feelings it is important not to concentrate on your physical body, but your dream body, and go with all the sensations, the swinging like you describe! Its hard to recognise the transition but you get to a point where they are strong enough to force yourself into a dream. I will try this tonight and post my experiences in here, and would encourage others too do so also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean999
The best way to do this is to just practice and if you try to get into the dream too early, just go back to the sensations and wait for them to get stronger and try again, you will soon get the right balance :)
No problem, good luck. If you have any questions feel free to ask :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cougarelite
That's an awesome experience, please if you have any more can you post them here, I think I am going to collect these for people to read to see how the transitions work for different people as this seems like a common question so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robot_Butler
I don't know about pain but sometimes it feels like my body is moving in ways which are not physically possible. For example my back bending in a way which couldn't physically be done. If you are close to lucidity this shouldn't hurt, as we know you don't really feel pain in lucid dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by sea bee
Adam.
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Originally Posted by Adam
It was the train feeling like you mentioned earlier to me. It felt like was going through a tunnel on a speeding train then it seemed like i fell off the tracks and landed on my bed, thats when i rolled out.
I love this technique because it caters to the sensations rather than the HI or HS, awsome job man, thanks for everything:).
Ohh and ps, had another WILD earlier this morning, i hate to get cocky but it's getting easier for me.:)
Now on to improving dream control, this should be fun ahaha.
Don't worry at all about being cocky! The reason for this technique is because when you can master inducing these sensations, then becoming lucid is easy!
Glad it is working out for you, now let me have some of that lucid fun ;)
May I have one more questin. And that question would be a little more difficult to answer. First let me describe my state. I lie in my bed. And do some relaxation techniques. My body can feel numb and i am loosing my sensations. And now. What should I do. How can I concentrate on feelings I never experienced before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
Actually. What was your learning process? You said, that mastering inducing this sensations is the key, but i cannot find out the process how you do it from start. It could help, if you described this process of induction in more detail. Maybe use some more words or images to describe this. You might start just from beginning, when you feel your body. then you perform relaxation.... And then .... You do induce these sensations. When do you start to induce them and how does the process feel like. {so I am actually asking you to slow down the process and tell me, whats are the sensations from the beginning.}
So in conclusion:
And maybe that would be enough for now. You know why I am asking this. Every technique can be only hardly adapted, when we dont know the background information.
- Before you began doing these induction exercises, what was your induction potential? {so we know, where you started learning}
- What was the process of your learning, what were the difficulties, and what made you improve your tactile visualisation? {so we know your learning process, and so we can adjust it to fit our needs}
Thanx in advance and also thanx for one of the best tutorials I readed so far.
hey Adam,
when u talked about the noises/distractions, does that include pattern noises (ex: air conditioner, washing machine .....) cause for some reason i tend to be less distracted when there's a noise pattern in the background ....
cheers,
wa'el
Okay I will do my best to answer this, if you need more information please ask:Quote:
Originally Posted by adraw
Before you began doing these induction exercises, what was your induction potential?
OKay to start with I had tried and successfully achieved a normal WILD - this is where you remain still, drift off into the dream automatically but I found it very hard to maintain any real focus due to the lack ho HI experienced and my concentration levels.
So by chance I stumbled across inducing lucid dreams through physical sensations. One night I had woken up in the night needing the toilet, when I got back to bed I felt strange sensations, like I was sliding backwards, and didn't know why it was happening, but I went with it to see where they would take me, and by chance entered a lucid dream, so this really is how I came across it, because I had this natural ability to induce these sensations. Some people find it easy to experience HI, others find it easier to induce these sensations, I guess for me my potential was high because I found it easy, but for others this will differ.
What was the process of your learning, what were the difficulties, and what made you improve your tactile visualisation?
The process of my learning was fairly straight forward. Having mistakenly stumbled across this technique I began to try induce the sensations myself, rather than waiting for them to happen myself as had done previously. I learnt that one key thing which helped was when lying still and with my eyes shut it was like I was focussing on my eyelids. But soon I tried looking beyond them, and my vision would change to seem like I was focussing further and further away from them. I used this then to feel like it was me moving away from this rather than my sight looking further ahead if that makes sense? So when I am looking into my eyelids, I visualise my back sinking into the bed, and at the same time my vision would look beyond my eyelids further convincing myself I was sinking further and further into my bed. And from here once you get these sensations they pretty much take over.
Some difficulties were my breathing. I found sometimes that if I was breathing too deeply my breathing in would counteract the sensations of me sinking. Because your stomach/check moves outwards when you inhale, so this counteracted my sensations I was trying to induce. So then I would lye still in my bed, waiting till I was tired and ready to sleep and my breathing had slowed right down, then I would be ready to try. Once I had realised this, then it was a matter of using my vision it help induce the sinking sensations, which doesn't always happen at first, but after a while you begin to feel it. Something which helped was digging my back into my bed and holding it there for 30/60 seconds, and then you relax, this gives the opposite feeling that it is in fact your legs sinking, which helped a lot.
I don't think anything made me improve really, it was all about learning ways in which I could induce these sensations, so using my vision and pushing my back into the bed to kick start the feelings, but different people may find other ways to kick start them, and if anyone does find another way I would love to hear about them!
Hope this is a little clearer, I will update my technique to include more of this information, as never really thought about it in as much detail as I have explained here.
I think a constant background noise can help, but sudden changes to sounds I think might interfere. So I would perhaps see if you could put on some form of relaxation CD on repeat or something if you think a background noise would help.Quote:
Originally Posted by wa'el
I personally leave my PC on and the constant noise it makes often helps me.
Adam.
Thank you again. I will take a look at your tutorial again. Will try it tonight again. And hope I will be more successfull.
what's the point of a WILD? just to achieve a lucid dream while you're awake? is it more intense than if you're sleeping on a regular basis or what?
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Originally Posted by maxihaus
its not that you achieve a LD while you're awake ..... it occurs when you go from a normal waking state directly into a dream state with no apparent lapse in consciousness...
With no appearent lapse of consciousness. Thats interesting. .... Mostly the word appearent.Quote:
Originally Posted by wa'el
i'm not sure you got that right ..... its apparent not appearent .....Quote:
Originally Posted by adraw
so what i meant is that this occurs when you move to another state of body awareness .... some call it another dimesion ..... and thats why its not like your having a lucid dream while you're awake .... maybe Adam can explain this better ...........
cheers,
wa'el
Yeah. I understood that.
Still. The word is interestingly used. Somewhere I readed, that peolple experience blackout, when switching from one state of awareness to another. Thats why it got. Me. ..:D
|My take on this would be that the WILD is more of an controlled initiation into a lucid dream. So you take the DILD for example, whilst there are certain methods to improve your chances of a DILD, it is not very controlled, experiences are often sporadic and you don't have the same degree of control in terms of frequency of lucid dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxihaus
With the WILD technique you are basically going from wake to sleep (and lucid dream) instantly, as opposed to already sleeping, then relying on your critical faculty or dream awareness to spot irregularities to realise you are dreaming. The WILD technique is used to control the transition into a lucid dream.
So the way I see it:
DILD = Sleep > Lucid Dream
WILD = Awake > Lucid Dream
With both techniques you are still sleeping when you have the lucid dream, but WILD is more controlled, and it's mastering the transition from wake to sleep which is key to achieving this. Once you can control your awareness and maintain a level of consciousness when going to sleep, you can successfully WILD and enter lucid dreams almost at will.
As for the intensity, I find the lucid experiences are usually the same, however the intensity of entering a lucid dream is far different when you WILD - you experience HI/SI or as per this technique very powerful tactile sensations. When you DILD it is more a transition from normal dream to lucid dream and a fairly smooth one at that, the transition when you WILD, and quite synonymous with the name, can be quite a ride!
Hope this explains it a little better?
Adam.
Yes it does clarify things much more. But since you enter a lucid dream right away with WILD, does that not mean that you skip the other cycles of your sleep. or it doesn't necessarily put you in the REM cycle. Because that would suck if you only jumped in a lucid dream but didn't really recharge your batteries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
or do you rest throughout all of the sleep cycles?
Depends when you do it. If you do this with WBTB then you ideally wake up after your 5 stages of sleep, so when you WILD you immidiatly re-enter REM sleep.
You can however do this going straight to bed, but regardless, you don't lucid dream all night so there is plenty of time for getting restful sleep.
We dream pretty much all through out the night, we are just not always aware of it. Doesn't mean the quality of sleep is any worse through lucid dreaming.
yeah yeah i get what you're saying. it just doesn't seem 'natural' to me and that's why i think it's a bit bad for you. but i'm no scientist d;
besides, i have a hard enough time going to bed even when i'm tired... i just love being awake too much and life in general / even though it is nice when i have a decent dream now and then when it doesn't include my ex in it hahaha.
thanks for the clarifications though. :bowdown:
And as far as I know there's no scientific evidence to suggest lucid dreaming has any detrimental affect on sleep quality!Quote:
Originally Posted by maxihaus
I almost had a WILD tonight using this technique. After doing the technique I started feeling vibrations, but after like 3 or 4 vibrations I got too eager and opened my eyes, hoping to be in a lucid dream, but I wasn't - I was awake :(. How many vibration-pulses do you feel, and how long after feeling them do you wait until you "move" (your dream body hopefully)?
Well I personally don't feel them as vibrations, more actual shifting sensations. Like really feeling like I am falling, or swinging or something of similar nature. Imagine you are swinging in a hammock or falling down a hole, that's what it should feel like, that's the intensity you should be aiming for :)
Last night I felt some weird sensations that made me think of this thread. I was on my back, with my arms folded over my stomach. I started to feel a sinking heaviness in both of my arms. It felt like they were so heavy they were wobbling. I was noticing at the time what a remarkable feeling it was. Felt exactly like if you took a huge hunk of bread dough and stuck it on the end of a long thin knife. The knife gets all wobbly and bendy with a weight on the end.
While I was thinking about that imagery, my whole body started to feel heavy and doughy. I felt a phantom sensation that I can only relate to kneading bread dough. But I felt it all over my body.
Its so hard to describe these phantom feelings. Its not like I thought I was made out of dough, or even imagined kneading bread dough. I just felt doughy and rubbery and heavy all over my body. Weird stuff.
I eventually just fell asleep. Had a nice long DILD later. You even made an appearance in it, Adam.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...622#post732622
This is pretty much exactly how I have lucid dreams. I've had some scary experiences with it though, here's something I posted on another forum:
"The way that works for me is going to sleep, getting up involuntarily at 4:00-5:00, and going back to sleep. It's kind of weird, because when I'm about to go to sleep, I feel these little "shocks" go through my body, so I say, "OK cool, I'm about to have a lucid dream." It's just a quick transition from the waking world to the dream world. After the shocks, I stay in bed for a few minutes, and when I feel like I'm dreaming, I get up. I'll do a dream check just in case, lol.
It seems like every time I become lucid, those "shocks" go through my body, but different things happen after. One time, it felt like I started floating out of my bed. Then I dropped, got up, and walked around my dream world :) Another time, after the shocks, it felt like I just rolled out of my bed, and I was dreaming.
Scariest time, however, was last night. After the shocks, I started hearing noises... It's happened before, but not like this. Usually I hear people talking, from my family or something. This time, however... It was something inhuman. It would have made Stalaggh look like amateurs.
(OK, probably not, but you know...)
I stayed calm however, and eventually the noises stopped, so I got up and started lucid dreaming.
Man... Anything is possible with lucid dreaming. It's just amazing. I have to try doing some more advanced stuff other than having sex and flying. -_-' "