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When i'm doing it i'm afraid that if I move my eyes, swallow saliva or ANYTHING that it'll ruin my chances of SP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
Also, i'm kinda scared of SP. I had the intent of doing it last night but when thinking about it I decided to turn my alarm off cause I got freaked out. The other day I woke up with a jolt and there was this little girl sitting on my bed. Scared the shite outta me.
I tried this technique, it worked. I stayed lucid for like three seconds, then I got caught by a False Awakening. But its a good technique, because thats nearly my first WILD.
Hi adam. Really nice tutorial. I made some tryes in my past with wild, but wasnt succesfull, so I decided to give it a little time and rest for a while from LD. Now, as i read this tutorial, I will give it a try. It seems, that REM phase is a catalyst for any sensations {visual, auditory or tactile}, so it shouldnt be a problem.
As I readed your tutorial, it reminded me , how people invoke astral projection by falling out of their bodies. It seems, that the important aspect about WILD is to concentrate more on mind body, then on physical body, which is easier when entering REM. Maybe the problem spot could be to move into REM state aware, where mantaining an illusion of movement goes from itself. So I guess. First I should learn, how it feels like to approach REM phase, withouth falling asleep. And then, when I feel i am entering REM, i should start this movement visualisation using the momentum approaching REM gives me.
It seems, that:
REM + Effort > Effort
as clairity said earlier. it would be nice to WILD without WTBT, which is able to do if you're very tired.
Nice guide to. It said quite much the same as i read before, but it was some new and usefull stuff. Thx m8.
For the second time i have been so unbelieveably close to WILDing.
I keep blacking out during some point between the sinking feeling and weird noises, to the actual lucid dream.
It seems im lying there, having weird SP sensations, and then i know that i lost conciousness for a while, but as soon as my dream starts, i know its a dream.
I had a great lucid last night, but i guess this only counts as a DILD, so ill keep trying =]
I tried this last night. My girlfriend was sick and being very noisy, so I only did a short WBTB so I would not have problems falling back to sleep while she coughed and snorted.
I underestimated, and ended up just falling asleep. Good news is, I had a freaky hot orgy dream followed by a false awakening that turned into a badass lucid.
Here's the lucid dream:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=53762
I'll try again tonight. I'm sure my optimism about this technique was what triggered the lucid.
Excellent, let me know how you get on :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Robot_Butler
Okay don't worry about swallowing etc, thinking about not doing that is just going to put you off, and it is important you are comfortable and relaxed, and you cant be if you need to swallow, or if you move etc, just be comfortable, that's the main thing with this technique okay :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Terrorhawker
I'm not going to lie to you, these sensations get pretty crazy! You don't really experience any SP as such, but you do get some really weird movements and drops etc. Give it a go, if it gets too intense you can always stop. The good thing about this technique is you can usually control the sensations, so can do this to something which is more comfortable for you :)
Awesome news!! Well done :D Let me know how you get on if you try again. I have found sometimes I loose lucidity when doing this, but I just switch back to the sensations again and start over, it's pretty easy when you get used to it. It's important to learn to control everything :)Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
Let me know if you need any more hints etc.
Good luck :) I hope it works for you, it should do! If you have any questions let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by adraw
No problem, yeah getting really tired before and doing this works well :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xallie
So close! Sounds like you were almost there :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dizko
Awesome!!! :bowdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Robot_Butler
I need to swallow all the time when I'm trying to lay still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
It's like my mouth just fills itself with saliva very quickly.
Will swallowing ruin it? =\
Ok, I was in a wave pool all day today and when I lay down I automatically feel the sensation of going over waves, can you use that to start a WILD?
Damn Adam, almost got this to work if only if it wasn't for my stupid dog barking that made me shift my focus.
hey adam, great write up.
im a long time wild-attemptee...but it seems my failure lies in having 'too much' physical sensations. I get sore from lying still. Uncomfortable enough to make me give up. Sometimes it feels like my limbs have rotated 180 degrees but thats the closest I seem to get.
Any tips for actually letting go of your body?
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Originally Posted by Terrorhawker
No not at all – I always do, I am the same and I have had a lot of luck with this technique. I think what happens is when you are trying trchniques, you think that swallowing will ruin your chances so this automatically puts a block on you and inhibits you achieving a WILD – I swallow all the time when I WILD and I can get lucid so there is absolutely no reason why you should be any different JQuote:
Originally Posted by Terrorhawker
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Originally Posted by Axel
Yeah of course you can. Last night when I went to bed, I instantly got these sensations, like I was lying in the sea or something, like my head and feet were moving to waves, was weird. Just goes to show once you have these sensations in your body, you can use these to achieve a WILD.
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Originally Posted by Riot Maker
Ah so close! Keep going and let me know how you get on J
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Originally Posted by james-25:22pm
Okay if I understand you correct you are saying the sensations are too strong? If this is the case you are doing everything right here! What you have to do is go with these sensations, when they start getting really strong and you can really feel pretty strong movements, then you start to picture the dream and kind of force your mind into the dream and away from the sensations.Quote:
Originally Posted by james-25:22pm
When I talk about strong sensations I don’t mean mild rocking back and forth, I mean real strong feelings of falling fast, or spinning, or something quite strong! Strong enough to believe you are actually moving J
Good luck and let me know how you get on! If you have any more questions please let me know.
Adam.
Now my only problem is fear of SP.
I think it's just fear of the unknown. If I go into it once I'll probably have no trouble doing it again.
Hey adam a few questions if you dont mind:
-When you say try to focus on your back, how do we know when it gets at the strongest point?
-When you say try to land, do you mean try to physicaly? cause if your falling it would be hard imagining landing I would think.
I havent tried your method yet, but I am today. Also would you mind posting one of your success's just to give us a idea of what it should feel like, how long it should take i.e. how you entered. Please and thanks for posting your method ;)
I tried this again last night. I was doing it exactly as written. I was on my back imagining the feeling of sinking into the bed. I got to some sleep paralysis pretty easily. Once I hit SP, I decided I wanted to play with the feeling of the vibrations, so I tried to hover in that vibrating state for as long as possible. Never did end up in a LD.
I find that I almost always get SP when I WILD on my back, and almost always get a time lapse or loss of consciousness when I WILD on my side. I guess its because I actually fall asleep on my side since it is my normal sleep position. Eiter way seems to be equally prone to enter a LD.
I also want to note that I got some crazy body distortions while in SP. I could feel my feet bending backwards at the arch in an impossible way. It was so painful I had to stop. I guess this is what broke my chance at an LD.
sorry Adam, I meant...I feel heavy physical sensations from lying still for so long. Like an unstoppable urge to move. Maybe Ill try this method, and see if it distracts me from 'real' sensations to the sinking through the bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
Thanks adam.
Had my first WILD. I sat up during vibrations and it felt like i was being ripped apart.
I knew i was dreaming but i was still shocked by the vividness. Everything was perfect. From my shoes lying on the floor, to my playstations games on my desk.
After fully understanding it was a dream, it started to blurr out, and i woke up (or so i thought).
I then went over to my computer, which was already on for some reason. And i was also eating an apple..
Anyway after that i jumped into bed, blinked, and then i was really awake.
Took me 10 minutes to realise it was a dream. xD But still, i was lucid at the start, so i suppose that counts ;D
I would try not to fear it. Hypnagogic sleep paralysis, which is the SP you experience when going to sleep is really mild. You don't get anywhere near the fear/sensations of hypnopompic sleep paralysis, this is the SP you get when waking up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terrorhawker
With hypnagogic SP it is more your body falling to sleep, but with your mind already awake through the whole experience, you should be in control of what is going on really so you shouldn't have to fear anything. When you wake up and experience SP this is usually frightening because people awake and cant move, so it is the initial shock people report on, but because you are in control and aware the whole time, you are in control of the SP and don't need to worry. Like I said give it a try and if it gets too much for you then you can always stop because you are always in control as should be aware the whole time for the WILD to work successfully.
It's quite hard to gauge really. I mean the first couple of times it might not work because you might try to transition into the dream too soon. Basically imagine being on a rollercoaster or something, this is usually how strong the sensations get for me, or even just like you have jumped out of a plane! They really are very strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by lonestarx
Landing, was the easiest way I could explain it, but maybe not the best. Basically when you are experiencing all these sensations they get so strong as described above, that you get to the point where you know it must be part of the dream because you are after all lying in your bed. Try it out and wait for them to get pretty intense, not just rocking but really strong spinning/rocking/falling etc.
As for one of my successes well usually I will start on my back, sometimes I will push my back into the bed to kick start the feelings, or I will just lye there waiting for them to happen. Most recently my back was sinking into the bed, but rather than keep sinking my legs didn't go so it felt like i was vertical with my head down hanging, was really strange, then I started to twist as well as hanging up, then my legs let go and I fell. Was falling and then I knew I was ready so slowed the sensations down, and pictured the dream and entered it. Although this last time was bad because my phone woke up up shortly after entering the dream!
I know what you mean, I get really strong sensations too - but just remember that it is in your mind so the pain/fear that sometimes can be associated with doing this can be stopped, you should try changing the sensations, to maybe spin or bend in other directions :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Robot_Butler
That's awesome! Waking in your bed (in the dream) can be a little weird at first. I usually am in my room when I WILD and seeing your room in the dream state as it is when you are awake is good for vividness and prolonging lucidity because your mind doesn't have to work as hard in generating the dreams because you already know what your room looks like because you are always there really. When I WILD I have my most vivid dreams in my room! This usually helps to stabilise everything for me and then I can go off and do the normal lucid things I like to do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizko
Adam.
Why is it important tp have a fixed, normalised sleeping schedule, whe trying to WILD, as you advise?
Mainly because people who are overtired from lack of sleep find it hard to keep their mind awake when their body falls to sleep because they are so tired. Typically with WBTB I find if I am exhausted or have upset my schedule of sleep, I have far less success. It might not be for all people but for me certainly it helps :)
I have one question:
Does this technique reduce the amount of hallucinations that you have while experiencing SP? That's the only reason I don't wild, because of the hallucinations.
I never get these anyway.
One thing I will say, if you can take the physical sensations, these really do over power any visual sensations. You wont really visualise too much, but the actual physical sensations do get pretty intense I must say :)
Ok Adam one more question lol,
When I was trying this 2 nights ago I got all the sensations and then all of a sudden my eyes wouldn't stop twitching! They kept twitching real bad. But like while they were twitching I could see like white dots all over my vision. It was like that when my eyes were open too. Any ideas to why this was like this? (the twitching and the dots)
Worked for me last night.
I just basicly followed the procedure and after about 10 minutes of intense sensations, i just had that feeling that i could roll out of my bed, and i did.
thanks adam, great tutorial btw.
It's so weird that I stumbled upon this technique because just the other night I was doing almost exactly what you described - more or less by accident though. I was just very tired, but I wanted to have a lucid dream and I mused about how cool it would be to just sink through my bed and right into an LD. The more I concentrated on that, the more I felt that it was actually happening! I fell asleep before I got too far though. :( Phooey. With this technique all nicely written up though, I just have to give it another shot tonight.
Thanks a lot!