Thread: Nearly everyone connects Visualization with movement... WHY?

Well this is speculation but most likely because of a few reasons.

• You are almost always moving while you have visual stimulus.
  
  • Walking around during the day for example.
  • Even when you are stand still your perspective changes constantly.
  • The world around you isn't still; its a 'natural instinct' by this point. I dare you to imagine a waterfall in still motion.. You see what you know.
• Brain is working harder to update and render a new "frame" very quickly to keep the scene in motion.
  
  • Resulting in more focus on the task which may temporarily mute out other distracting physical stimuli allowing a more vivid experience.
  • Realistically the event itself is no more complex; your awareness towards it has simply increased.. Hard to see something when you are not looking for it.
• Memory is increased when the situation is played out in sequential patterns.
  
  • Alot of times its hard to remember something until you remind yourself of what happened prior to or leading up to the event.
  • Visualizations are nothing more then memories of images; and when played back in motion automatically triggers a vivid memory of whats to come. (Yes all humans can see the future; you do it constantly )
  • The brain knows and takes advantage of the above to produce visual feedback in real time.

I have no idea how it does it but I believe if you were to live in a motionless world you wouldn't know how to imagine movement. Its simply the memory of another one of the many sensations we are fortunate enough to experience almost constantly.

Its much easier to make a pot out of a clay slab then out of nothing.

If ^that immensely superior logic (lol) is to complicated to understand; maybe this will help..

You are only the building block that is or ever will be your imagination. In other words to not experience motion would be contradictory to pretty much your whole waking life.

• Slab of Clay = Memories
• Bridge = Imagination.

The depth of our memories and subconscious predictions happen on a whole other level it seems; unfortunately your brain knows much more then you do.

*Edit* Forgot to answer second part of your question.. without making another long post; the easiest way to work on visualization is to use consistent material with progressive difficulty.

For example my nightly routine without going into to much detail is as follows.. Keep in mind I have usually done a brief relaxation method prior to this which helps alot.

I work through these one by one, this isnt the full list and I switch it up as I go.. just random stuff with the same basic outline.

I build a scene from the ground up, basically starting from a "wireframe" mode. I believe its easier to construct a scene like this because its what I do constantly.. I am a 3d modeler/designer and it is simply easy for me to piece things together as follows. You'll notice it follows a sequential pattern which helps both in the learning and recalling aspect.

• Shapes
  
  • Square, circle, triangle etc.
• Colors
  
  • Red, blue, green, yellow, purple etc
• Objects
  
  • Cubes (Brown Box), pyramids(Roof of houses), cylinder (pop cans)
• Textures/Tactile
  
  • Wood, cement, hands, freezer, keyboard
• Scenario
  
  • Room, kitchen, work desk, bar, etc
• Motion
  
  • Driving, flying, falling, snowboarding, etc

Originally Posted by adraw

Hi all. Did you read last topics? Even if not... I read them and many people told, that if they visualize, they often visualize themselves moving, or that their visualization contains movement in some sort.

I have two questions:
1. In your opinion. Why is the movement supportive to visualizations?
2. How could we use this to better our attempts?

Thanx for your responses.

Maybe the visualizations jump start the HI, or the direction of it, and the HI is what actually sparks the dream.

Both HI and visualizations coming from 2 totally different part of the brain, which you can train to work together the right way.

Easy.

When you are moving, you're not just trying to generate an image, you generating the concept itself. When you're moving, you can't generate what you should see in a visual fashion. You automatically have to fall back on concepts and your mental schemata to be able to "see". Otherwise you're just trying to paint random crap on your mind's eye.

Originally Posted by arby

Easy.

When you are moving, you're not just trying to generate an image, you generating the concept itself. When you're moving, you can't generate what you should see in a visual fashion. You automatically have to fall back on concepts and your mental schemata to be able to "see". Otherwise you're just trying to paint random crap on your mind's eye.

Ditto.

Originally Posted by Shady

Well this is speculation but most likely because of a few reasons.

• You are almost always moving while you have visual stimulus.
  • 
    
  • Walking around during the day for example.
  • Even when you are stand still your perspective changes constantly.
  • The world around you isn't still; its a 'natural instinct' by this point. I dare you to imagine a waterfall in still motion.. You see what you know.
• Brain is working harder to update and render a new "frame" very quickly to keep the scene in motion.
  • 
    
  • Resulting in more focus on the task which may temporarily mute out other distracting physical stimuli allowing a more vivid experience.
  • Realistically the event itself is no more complex; your awareness towards it has simply increased.. Hard to see something when you are not looking for it.
• Memory is increased when the situation is played out in sequential patterns.
  • 
    
  • Alot of times its hard to remember something until you remind yourself of what happened prior to or leading up to the event.
  • Visualizations are nothing more then memories of images; and when played back in motion automatically triggers a vivid memory of whats to come. (Yes all humans can see the future; you do it constantly )
  • The brain knows and takes advantage of the above to produce visual feedback in real time.

I have no idea how it does it but I believe if you were to live in a motionless world you wouldn't know how to imagine movement. Its simply the memory of another one of the many sensations we are fortunate enough to experience almost constantly.

Its much easier to make a pot out of a clay slab then out of nothing.

If ^that immensely superior logic (lol) is to complicated to understand; maybe this will help..


You are only the building block that is or ever will be your imagination. In other words to not experience motion would be contradictory to pretty much your whole waking life.

• 
  
• Slab of Clay = Memories
• Bridge = Imagination.

The depth of our memories and subconscious predictions happen on a whole other level it seems; unfortunately your brain knows much more then you do.

*Edit* Forgot to answer second part of your question.. without making another long post; the easiest way to work on visualization is to use consistent material with progressive difficulty.

For example my nightly routine without going into to much detail is as follows.. Keep in mind I have usually done a brief relaxation method prior to this which helps alot.

I work through these one by one, this isnt the full list and I switch it up as I go.. just random stuff with the same basic outline.

I build a scene from the ground up, basically starting from a "wireframe" mode. I believe its easier to construct a scene like this because its what I do constantly.. I am a 3d modeler/designer and it is simply easy for me to piece things together as follows. You'll notice it follows a sequential pattern which helps both in the learning and recalling aspect.

• Shapes
  • Square, circle, triangle etc.
• Colors
  • Red, blue, green, yellow, purple etc
• Objects
  • Cubes (Brown Box), pyramids(Roof of houses), cylinder (pop cans)
• Textures/Tactile
  • Wood, cement, hands, freezer, keyboard
• Scenario
  • Room, kitchen, work desk, bar, etc
• Motion
  • Driving, flying, falling, snowboarding, etc

Thank you. That is pretty a lot of information. I will read it more times, so I get more information out of it. In my current situation I can slightly focus on dream scene, but then it starts to fade. As soon as I give it attention, it automatically turns to black void. What could be a reason to this?

When I do the exercises at the evening. I cannot get vivid images. Only that blackish reflections of what could be named vivid pictures. I am progressing and the images get better really slowly. At this tempo, it seems it will take pretty a long time, till I get some serious pictures. Thats why i am asking so many questions about the characteristics of visualization, so I dont make contradictory decisions.

You wrote its much easier to create vivid imagery out of memmory impressions. Yeah thats true, but it is really hard to stay focused at late evening. Could it mean I should do this exercises when I am fresh?

Thanx.

Originally Posted by RunflaCruiser

Maybe the visualizations jump start the HI, or the direction of it, and the HI is what actually sparks the dream.

Both HI and visualizations coming from 2 totally different part of the brain, which you can train to work together the right way.

Yeah. I think this could be this too. As if i somehow activated the right hemisphere, which is responsible of images and sense of wholeness. It seems I get lost in that wholeness and lose concentration. Well I guess it needs some time and practice. Any tips?

Originally Posted by arby

Easy.

When you are moving, you're not just trying to generate an image, you generating the concept itself. When you're moving, you can't generate what you should see in a visual fashion. You automatically have to fall back on concepts and your mental schemata to be able to "see". Otherwise you're just trying to paint random crap on your mind's eye.

Well I would not be honest if I said I fully understood this. Are you saying, that movements does not allow me to create only image, but it forces me to create whole concept, where I am present as the centre?

I dont fully understand what you wanted to say using this sentece:

You automatically have to fall back on concepts and your mental schemata to be able to "see".

Do you want to say, that I cannot force the seeing above the concept itself, that i should create complex imagery, which is more natural for me then just separating one sense? If so. It makes sense.

Thanx for the response. Its condensated form made me to think about it a little bit more.

Pls. Correct me if i misunderstood your words.

Thx.