Help with WILD please

[N2MDJ]

Hello everyone, I'm just getting back into LDing and I'm having a problem with WILD I hoped y'all could assist me with. Every time my body gets numb and gets closer to SP, I can't help but swallow at least once, and then it seems my body loses the numbness and I start over again. My question is: Does swallowing really halt a WILD? I read that any conscious effort during a WILD tells your body that you're still awake, thus stops it from going to sleep itself. THANKS!

[wasanga]

i cant help but swallow too and it felt if it restarted

[lozbritt]

same i always swallow and i read you can prop your head up to stop you swallowing but this didn't help me, i tend to leave it until the last minute and i swallow as a reflex rather than a conscious effort.

[Shady]

Let me ask you something; do you lay perfectly 100% still when you normally just try to fall asleep? No. Swallowing or scratching an itch is not going to prevent you from WILDing, it is a minor distractiion and within 3 seconds you should forget about it. Boom, your done. If you sit there desperately wanting to scratch that incredibly annoying itch your going to be bothered and distracted for several minutes. If anything THAT would wake you up because your body is going "Wtf is wrong, this is annoying why aren't you fixing it..?".. all the while your spamming your own heads with thoughts of it; as you fight this overwhelming urge to preform a natural body function. The only reason it will take you out of the "zone" is because you think it will. I used to as well. You just need to realize that WILDing does not requre staying awake in bed all night; you literally are falling asleep just as anyone else is.. you simply hang on for a few seconds longer. The only way you can distinguish when or how to do so is remain in the phase between sleep and wakefulness. No one can tell you how to do this. After a while you will simply begin to recognize it. This takes practice; for some it takes days and others months. Most are somewhere in between including myself. Basically you need to work on consciously staying awake longer in the transition itself on a nightly basis. (This does not mean your laying awake in bed for 15 minutes one night, then 30 another... 45 after etc). This might mean your awake for 5 minutes and 14 second, then 5 minutes and 28 seconds.. and no you do not need to time it; you will know if it is progress. The actual transition from awake-asleep does not take more then 30 seconds for me.. getting there takes 5-20 minutes (Doing almost exactly the same thing I would do on a "regular night"; except at the last few minutes when I would normally lose myself in unconscious sleep. This is when I begin focusing on my breathing/visualization.) All I can suggest is dont get caught up on all the specifics you read in tutorials. Absorb their information like a sponge but take it with a grain of salt; everyone is different.

[N2MDJ]

Shady: I've successfully WILDed before, I've been with DV for over a year. It's just now that I've taken a break and restarted, I have this new swallowing problem. I thought it must be one of the reasons I'm having this newfound trouble. I just wanted to mention: when you go to sleep normally, you lose consciousness before entering SP right? When you're unconscious, you don't move at all, not even to swallow... any conscious movement ceases. Doesn't this mean that if you want to simulate this experience, you have to "act" unconscious, i.e. ignore all urges to make conscious movement? Thanks for your replies everyone

[allensig3654]

Shady: I've successfully WILDed before, I've been with DV for over a year. It's just now that I've taken a break and restarted, I have this new swallowing problem. I thought it must be one of the reasons I'm having this newfound trouble. I just wanted to mention: when you go to sleep normally, you lose consciousness before entering SP right? When you're unconscious, you don't move at all, not even to swallow... any conscious movement ceases. Doesn't this mean that if you want to simulate this experience, you have to "act" unconscious, i.e. ignore all urges to make conscious movement? Thanks for your replies everyone When you are asleep you will continue to swallow your saliva. If not, you would drool all over your mouth. Your body doesn't stop working because you are asleep. The only way swallowing would ruin your SP is if you let it get to you. "Normal swallowing happens about twice a minute while awake, and about once in 5 minutes while asleep. We actually produce less saliva during sleep, hence less frequent swallowing."

[WolfeDreamer531]

Yeah Ive noticed that urge too. I thought I was the only one with this problem in fact. But I just try to enter wilds breathing through nose if I can help it. Ive noticed that this helps somewhat. Other than that I try to do what Shady does.