Thread: How to WILD

Are there HH or SP in this?

I guess it depends on how long it takes you to enter an LD.

Umm, Soldier, are you actually going to sleep? Cause it sounds like you're not.

Can you please rephrase that? I didn't understand, sorry.

With this WILD, you go to sleep. The anchor helps keep part of you mind focused to enter a dream. By the way you phased it in your last post, is sounded like you're not going to sleep.

It's not that. I got bored. I tried falling asleep, but sleeping takes me forever to accomplish (at least 1/2-1 1/2 hours of staring into nothingness), and I ran out of patience.

Ah, I see. Then this might not be for you, since patience in needed with any type of WILD.

i don't think wake initiated ld's work well for everyone, especially someone with insomnia or related sleep disorders

No, I just had a LOT of work to do, and I already tried WILDing 2 times today using the common technique (3 hours each), and quite obviously the 3rd try I just couldn't wait any longer. I'll try again tomorrow (or the weekends).

would increase pain help? for the last week i've been trying this and i always fall asleep, i had a DILD but that was it.

would increase pain help?

Unless you're a masochist it wouldn't. As it has been said many times the best anchor is the hiss like internal noise that comes from the middle or upper rear part of your head.

You can then replace the origin of this sound to the middle of your body or use that point alone as your focal point.

The problem is, if you don't give suggestions to recognize the right state to start action you will lie there in essentially false wakefulness. I'd say 2/3 or more of the battle is recognizing the proper state, 1/3 is attaining it with intact consciousness.

I developed a trick a while back that worked well, but left my family wanting to murder me. I didn't realise at the time, but it was an anchor, as you put it (kudos)

I made a mp3 playing the sound of a dripping tap, over and over.
And then I trained water/dripping as my dream sign.
Simple really. And effective. Especially at getting yourself hit on the head by your wife.. hehe

But perhaps with earphones or something less annoying, the same effect can be produced

BTW, this trick needn't be only for WILD. You can use an anchor without the WBTB if you have something that doesn't interfere with your sleep.
Of course, the WBTB helps a lot, so I recommend it all the same.

(Sorry for the double post, but I don't want my question getting lost in my previous one)

Originally Posted by transflux

As it has been said many times the best anchor is the hiss like internal noise that comes from the middle or upper rear part of your head.
You can then replace the origin of this sound to the middle of your body or use that point alone as your focal point.

Err.. any other ideas than just a hiss. Unfortunately, I already use white noise anyway to nap with. I'd like to add something to my mp3 to use as an anchor, and try this technique
Maybe a clicking sound. Or my water dripping idea.. any specific thoughts?

(My current WILD technique works, but doesn't give me particularly intense LDs... want to try something new)

I used to have a little ring in my ears but it comes off and on so its hard to use that as anchor. placebo is there anyway i could get that drip sound?

That hiss is probably the most powerful thing that will ever come across. If I were that type of guy, I'd call it by names such as the Sacral Sound or the Door to Heaven, etc, and even I'm not, the temptation is still huge.

The power of this sound is well known from many mystic traditions. In eastern yoga it does even have its own branch, Nada Yoga. It's important part of Surat Shabd Yoga and other spiritual traditions that center around out of body travel. And it's widely practiced by lucid dreamers, astral projectors and the like.

This sound interiorizes your attention unlike any other thing. As you get progressively more absorbed in these noises you slowly whitrawn from the brain's sensory-motor mechanism. Eventually your reach a point where the carrier of your self-reflection is not strictly bounded anymore to the part of consciousness that we normally associate with the brain and body.

You need earplugs for this. What you hear at first is the inner working of your auditory cortex and the thalamocorical system. If the noises fluctuate a lot and occasionally turn into auditory hallucinations such as in interrupted sleep you should know you have a better chance at lucid dreaming.

If you suceed in establishing a feedback on the noises and are in the conductive state you can develop it to a ringing sound or music (depending on your focus) which accompanies the pre-OBE state. You can separate and get lost in dreams or remain still and go deeper.

If you want to use external sound it should be unpredictable such as the noises coming from a convector heater when it gets cold. This is pretty much the opposite of the above method and takes the long route. Still works better than music, which has the right direction, i.e. creates an inner space, but will likely make your self-reflecting awareness fall apart.

What you essentially want to do is get through the needle's eye. That's why you need a focal point in the first place, be it internal or external.

err.. that was ages ago. I just googled a new one now
I'll upload it once I take out the background noise

Originally Posted by transflux

That hiss is probably the most powerful thing that will ever come across. If I were that type of guy, I'd call it by names such as the Sacral Sound or the Door to Heaven, etc, and even I'm not, the temptation is still huge.

The power of this sound is well known from many mystic traditions. In eastern yoga it does even have its own branch, Nada Yoga. It's important part of Surat Shabd Yoga and other spiritual traditions that center around out of body travel. And it's widely practiced by lucid dreamers, astral projectors and the like.

This sound interiorizes your attention unlike any other thing. As you get progressively more absorbed in these noises you slowly whitrawn from the brain's sensory-motor mechanism. Eventually your reach a point where the carrier of your self-reflection is not strictly bounded anymore to the part of consciousness that we normally associate with the brain and body.

You need earplugs for this. What you hear at first is the inner working of your auditory cortex and the thalamocorical system. If the noises fluctuate a lot and occasionally turn into auditory hallucinations such as in interrupted sleep you should know you have a better chance at lucid dreaming.

If you suceed in establishing a feedback on the noises and are in the conductive state you can develop it to a ringing sound or music (depending on your focus) which accompanies the pre-OBE state. You can separate and get lost in dreams or remain still and go deeper.

If you want to use external sound it should be unpredictable such as the noises coming from a convector heater when it gets cold. This is pretty much the opposite of the above method and takes the long route. Still works better than music, which has the right direction, i.e. creates an inner space, but will likely make your self-reflecting awareness fall apart.

What you essentially want to do is get through the needle's eye. That's why you need a focal point in the first place, be it internal or external.

Did I miss something? Is this a binaural beat or a different kind of sound.

Originally Posted by Soldier

placebo is there anyway i could get that drip sound?

You can grab a copy here: http://polynap.grelly.com/SleepTracks/waterdrip.mp3
I keep a bunch of nap tracks as well, if you're interested (e.g. 20 minute grey noise. I have a binaural version as well)
Perhaps I'll make a quick version that has the dripping sound about 8 minutes in or so

thanks

Originally Posted by TalkingHead

Did I miss something? Is this a binaural beat or a different kind of sound.

No, it's an internal sound. Brain noise.

It's like the aural equivalent of the light patterns that you see when you close your eyes in a dark room. But since we can't close our ears, most people are not aware of this sound. And that's why you need earplugs.

I still use earplugs even though I can hear these noises whenever I want to. It's the same thing as seeing those ideoretinal lights superimposed on everything without closing your eyes.

When you start focusing on it, it will appear as a static hiss. When your attention gets locked you will discover distinct frequencies. Some of these frequencies will get amplified while using binaural beats and focusing on the proper ones can help to get in the zone. But they are not the same.

It's a very good idea to concentrate on the inner noises after listening to binaurals for 15-30 minutes. You will get far better results this way, because no binaural pattern is perfect. A good one will facilitate the pre-OB or dreaming state alright but still locks you in an unnatural state.

You may have best results when you combine WBTB, binaurals and listening to the inner noises. At least this is how I've learned to lucid dream on a consistent basis.

I'm not sure I understand this idea about an 'anchor'. What are you supposed to do, concentrate on it and just go to sleep? Instead of actually trying to stay consious while entering a dream like any other WILD techniuqe? See, I'm confusedddddd.

Originally Posted by Repo!

I'm not sure I understand this idea about an 'anchor'. What are you supposed to do, concentrate on it and just go to sleep? Instead of actually trying to stay consious while entering a dream like any other WILD techniuqe? See, I'm confusedddddd.

Not concentrate on it per say, just passively keeping track of it while going back to sleep. That's why this version of WILD is so simple; you don't have to stay conscious throughout the whole experience.

I think the passive nature is key.
Counting down and all that stuff, for me at least, involves too much concentration.
I don't want to be waiting 2 hours for a wild to work.

I tried something more passive this morning. I woke up at 5.45.
Got up for a minute to pee, had a glass of orange juice.
Back to bed. Tried 61 point relaxation, but found I was constanly interupting myself having "mini-dream" type HI.

So I just made my hand into a fist and then focussed on it, trying to keep my mind empty apart from that focus.

Several induction techniques noted in Exploring the world of lucid dreaming have similar passive styles. Focus on a point on your head. Focus on a point on your throat.

In reality I suspect you could focus on your big to if you wanted to.

I have to admit, I didn't manage to stay conscious into a dream.
But I did wake up after a fairly long dream (non lucid) at 6.45. Which would suggest I entered sleep fairly quickly.

I'd rather have a failed Wild lose me 20 minutes sleep that 2 to 3 hours.
I would have no problem practicing this style of WILD during the working week.

I think I might have done this accidentally. See my "Accidental WILD" thread.