im 13 and live at home my dad dose not want me 2 try and have a lucid dream is there any thing evil about lucid dreaming b/c i do bleave in god but beside that my recall has gone 2 hell and back
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im 13 and live at home my dad dose not want me 2 try and have a lucid dream is there any thing evil about lucid dreaming b/c i do bleave in god but beside that my recall has gone 2 hell and back
why exactly does your dad not want you to try it? Please answer this the best you can, maybe asking him about it before.
Does your Dad share your dreams?Quote:
Originally Posted by LLR
I mean how would he know how you dream?
I didn't want to start with that right now, you see his father might read this thread ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamChaser
he thanks its evil and i always have tell someone and it get back 2 my dad
nope he has no idea i even come 2 this site lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ShadowmanX
Well thats too bad. Your dad seems to be this kind of person who won't change his mind. at least thats my suggestion for what you told, I can't be sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLR
My dad is/was similar everytime he would see me trying something extraordinary (I'm really interested in paranormal stuff like telekinesis and telepathy) he said thats nonsense and should do that because wouldn't work.
My suggestion is you try it without him knowing. If you have to tell someone, then just tell about how your dream was and what you did and don't mention that you purposely where controling the dream. If you have really good control and get extremely excited to telling someone then just mention that it was very vivd and you can remeber any detail
And for your first question: As far as I know there is nothing evil about it. I really think you should talk about it with your father. Why he thinks it is evil and how he got the idea. Maybe he had bad experiences himself, but this doesn't mean you'll have the same.
Hope this is helping
u see i some times sleepwalk when i have a LD so and he says it has some thing 2 do with Hypnosis
Did you try...just doing it without telling him? How would he know? Unless you think he's psychic or something.
By the way, I'm getting blaring warning signs here the way you describe him. It sounds like he's abusing you. You might want to move out as soon as humanly possible.
Don't bring it up again, unless he mentions it first. If he does, don't refer to it as "lucid dreaming," but as "realizing when you are dreaming," because it sounds less different (and to the superstitious, less intimidating and mystical). Tell him that many people (even children) realize they are dreaming naturally during some nightmares. Tell him that it has been studied intensely over the past decade, and no ill side-effects have ever been recorded. Tell him that because realizing when you are dreaming is so rare, you won't have them very often even if you practice, so it cannot hinder any natural dream processes.
Of course, some parents can't be talked to with common sense. If the above doesn't work, try the below:
So? Do it anyway. It's not like he's going to find out, unless you are blatant about reality checks. Nobody can tell you how to dream. Hide your journal (perhaps on the computer), or put your lucids in code (don't mention lucidity, but put a symbol by the date indicating you were lucid).
My thoughts are, you were too flagrant about lucid dreaming. You can't go up to a superstitious type and be all "I'm practicing lucid dreaming so that I can be the God of the dream world," and think that they won't caution you.
lol thats a good one no but my dad dose scare the crap out of me but theres still the prom with my recall but i have had a few LDS here and thereQuote:
Originally Posted by drewmandan
I guess you just brought it to the point, he might think that of some kind of blasphemie ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Abra
There are two main reasons why he is pretty much wrong here:Quote:
Originally Posted by LLR
1. During a dream (known as a REM period), the body is paralyzed. Sleepwalking occurs during deep sleep (NREM periods), not dreams.
2. During hypnosis, you are actually fully conscious, but completely relaxed and focused. When hypnotized, you can reject whatever suggestions you don't want to do. Hypnosis is not a form of mind control.
ok but can some one help me with my recall it crap now a days
what helped me was auto suggestion. When going to bed just say to yourself "I will remember my dreams" you can also just think these words it doesn't matter, but the more you think or say them the better
Alsao try eating peanuts. I had my first recall for months after eating peanuts
lol ok ty
Easy solution:Quote:
Originally Posted by LLR
Don't mention it again to your Dad.
You said he doesn't know about this site.
You said you have to tell someone.
Tell us.
Job Done.
We can help you through it all.
Just delete history and hide this site as a Favorite (if he uses same computer).
Peanuts gives me pimples.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowmanX
:embarrassed:
my mom wasnt too fond of me learning to LD as well but im 19 so she didnt really have a say in the matter lol, i would suggest 2 things, first just LD and dont mention it to him anymore, and 2nd if you dont like the idea of that them just punch your dad in the kidney and tell him your gonna LD if you want to
I wouldn't recommend the second suggestion, but in the dream world you may just get your chance to.Quote:
Originally Posted by oubaseballd3
:D
Example:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=62896
wow lol if i did that he would proble cup check me and then ground me but im still having a dry spell.
ha just a thought...
then again you could do what i did and tell him that you are just exercising more control over your body and are trying to control everything about yourself, and also on a side note, dont mention the effects of SP if you havent already...i did that lol and my mom started in with "thats probably God telling you that you arent supposed to be doing that" ...and there is no arguing that (cause i wonder that occasionally as well lol)
lol
Just restrict your talking to Dream Views.
Easy.
We will support all of you.
ty
or punch him in the kidney
Ok...punch him.Quote:
Originally Posted by oubaseballd3
*punchs dad in the kidney* run like hell
Ok that should make you feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLR
Now focus on your Lucidity, and only talk here about it.
ok
I'm not sure how safe your computer is. Is it your own personal computer, or do you share it? How do you keep him from accessing what you do? Give us a bit more info and we may be able to help you work out a safe way to do it, especially if you think he'll cause any trouble if he finds out that you are doing it behind his back or something lame like that.
You could keep a dream journal in a book he wouldn't be likely to read. Like maybe a textbook? Something that it wouldn't look weird that you had it in your room or if he ever caught you reading it, though.
Shift is entirely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
If he can gain access to your DJ then he could become incredibly angry, and considering how you talk about him, some bad things may happen.
It's YOUR mind and YOUR body, he has no control over you once you shut your eyes and enter your bed. Everything you do then is up to you, and you should NEVER let anybody keep you down or alienate you because you want to use your brain to it's full extent and enter your dreams.
If your dad can't understand this then don't tell him. It's your own world you go to, and not his.
Don't try to make him understand, he doesn't need to know. Just make sure your Dream Journal is hidden from him.
LLR, are you saying that your father believes that lucid dreaming is the work of the devil? How did you explain it to him? Maybe he just doesn't know what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLR
Does your father ground you because of your lucid dreaming?Quote:
wow lol if i did that he would proble cup check me and then ground me but im still having a dry spell.
Did you mention LDs are firmly grounded in science as well as regular dreams are?
my mom didn't want me to lucid dream, but thankfully she knows quite well that she doesnt tell me what to do :)
Anyway, my mom's reason for not wanting me to LD was because she thinks it'll effect my sleeping schedule and aso she believes that dreams show you spiritual signs, but if you control them, you miss out on these signs. It doesn't sound like those are the reasons your dad doesn't want you to LD, but do you know why? I guess i could understand the religious side of it. Ultimate freedom with zero consequence can make temptations irrisistable. He may or may not believe that what you do in your dreams reflects your personal morality. If that's the case, he could just be trying to protect you.
Oh and it's possible your recall problem is related to your problem with your father. I find when i'm trying to improve my recall it's quite impossible unless i'm fully invested in it. If you're not sure if you want to LD or not you won't be motivated enough to journal etc. just some thoughts.
-M Gordon
I liked Dr. LaBerge's response to a question like that:Quote:
Originally Posted by Clockmaker
So actually you can fast forward to those spiritual signs through LDing :tongue: hahahaQuote:
Q. Since I believe that dreams are messages from the unconscious mind, I am afraid that consciously controlling my dreams would interfere with this important process and deprive me of the benefits of dream interpretation.
A. As chapter 5 will explain, dreams are not letters from the unconscious mind, but experiences created through the interactions of the unconscious and conscious mind. In dreams, more conscious knowledge is available to our conscious experience. However, the dream is not at all the exclusive realm of the unconscious mind. If it were, people would never remember their dreams, because we do not have waking access to what is not conscious.
The person, or dream ego, that we experience being in the dream is the same as our waking consciousness. It constantly influences the events of the dream through its expectations and biases, just as it does in waking life. The essential difference in the lucid dream is that the ego is aware that the experience is a dream. This allows the ego much more freedom of choice and creative responsibility to find the best way to act in the dream. (page 19, Preparation for Learning Lucid Dreaming)
Also he wrote, "A few nights later, I had the first lucid dream I remember since the serial adventure dreams I had when I was five years old. In the dream:
It was snowing gently. I was alone on the rooftop of the world, climbing K2. As I made my way upward through the steeply drifting snow, I was astonished to notice my arms were bare: I was wearing a short-sleeved shirt, hardly proper dress for climbing the second highest mountain in the world! I realized at once that the explanation was that I was dreaming! I was so delighted that I jumped off the mountain and began to fly away, but the dream faded and I awoke.
I interpreted the dream as suggesting that I wasn't yet prepared for the rigors of Tibetan dream yoga. But it was also a starting point, and I continued to have lucid dreams occasionally for eight years before I began to cultivate lucid dreaming in earnest. Incidentally, my impulsive behavior when I became lucid is typical of beginners. If I were to have such a dream now, I would not precipitously jump off the mountain. Instead, I would fly to the top of the mountain and find out if I was climbing it for any reason besides "because it was there." (EWOLD, page 47)
My brothers girlfriend said the same, and well shes a natural Lucid dreamer, but she doesn't want to control them. What a waste of talent...Quote:
Originally Posted by Clockmaker
heheh. that just doesnt seem right. like talking to the dali lama and telling him to hurry it up so you can catch a movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
Yeah I agree with you. It kind of feels like cheating yourself out of an adventure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clockmaker
Not if you think of the heightened clarity, logic, memory, emotions, and understanding you'd be taking up there with you. If I am supposed to be receiving important info while sleeping... man. I am practically retarded and have amnesia in my regular dreams, compared to lucids! I'd rather get to the top before losing lucidity and waking up! Besides, just by becoming lucid and climbing to the top, you'd probably get up there really really fast.
When you put it that way it does seem right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
he would if i let him know but it my mind not his and 2 eveyone here thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Dash
There are a number of rights parents have over their children but something as harmless and benign as this isn't one of them.
Do with your dreams what you will. You're hurting no one; not even yourself.
ok
But you're assuming that the spirituality is in the destination. What if it's in the journey itself? And further, why would there be a journey in the first place if you were not meant to experience it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
of course the simplest answer is that there really is no meaning beyond what you can interpret from the ramblings of your unconscious mind.
(by the way, I'm not trying to say that these are my beliefs, just that they are valid arguments.)
-M Gordon
can some one give me a link 2 levels of lucids dreams
Here you go:Quote:
Originally Posted by LLR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nux2e...eature=related
That is basically my belief. I think to a certain degree, based on your living life, it makes sense that dreams serve as metaphors and there are certain symbols relevant to each person. I think you can get answers and overcome things in dreams that are based on memories and emotions and etc. contained in your mind. But for the most part I don't believe there is any spiritual link, or that there is anything more than the simple physiological structure of the brain, so I guess I'm not even qualified to talk about journeys because I am skeptical to begin with. All I know is that regardless, people should be free to do what they want to do inside their own minds. I'm not longer naive enough to think it's the only thing that can't be taken from you, but I think it's one of the most basic rights a human being can have for itself is to use its own mind as it desires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clockmaker
Everyone has had their Dad say about their life, "Wake up son and stop dreaming!"
Well you can say, "That is what I am trying to do Dad. Its called Lucidity"
:D
I prefer to think there is some spiritual link (I say prefer because my beliefs on the topic are somewhat dynamic as one can never be sure.) I do believe positive an negative spirits can influence people in waking life, so it only makes sense that such things could manifest themselves in dreams as well, but as in waking life, they can be kept under control if one recognizes them for what they are. However I also believe that utilization of spirits in waking life (example: using a ouija board) is rarely productive, which is why i tend not to dwell on such things in the dream world. On the other hand there is no reason that becoming lucid would effect the existence of such spirits. It ought to make negative spirits easier to resist, and positive spirits easier to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
Personally, though, I don't tend to dream (Lucid or no) about spiritual things. I just like to run fast and jump high. I look at lucid dreaming as an ultimate opportunity for fun rather than a spiritual experience. I suppose I could combine the two by battling demons. Maybe I'll do that next time.
-M Gordon
Haha bingo :tongue: That is how I am about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clockmaker
But, ah, we're getting off topic. Let us know about your computer situation so we can help you out, LLR!
You should just not mention it again to him and do it anyways. He is seriously misinformed and unfamiliar with the subject. Its a hard thing to try and explain to someone who doesnt have an open and curious mind. What dad doesnt know wont hurt him.
I would advise you to keep your dream journal well hidden or at school. You can write notes about your dreams on a scrap paper and take it to school and add it to your journal at recess or something.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoNuff
Your dad shouldn't be worried at all, it cannot harm you in any way, shape, or form. Lucid dreaming is a magical experience and you should never let anybody take that from you.
Good luck :D
My mother thought that Lding was evil
But then I showed Her D/V and got her informed on what it actually is :D