Thread: trouble with LDS and my pops

Originally Posted by oubaseballd3

or punch him in the kidney

Ok...punch him.

*punchs dad in the kidney* run like hell

Originally Posted by LLR

*punchs dad in the kidney* run like hell

Ok that should make you feel better.
Now focus on your Lucidity, and only talk here about it.

ok

I'm not sure how safe your computer is. Is it your own personal computer, or do you share it? How do you keep him from accessing what you do? Give us a bit more info and we may be able to help you work out a safe way to do it, especially if you think he'll cause any trouble if he finds out that you are doing it behind his back or something lame like that.

You could keep a dream journal in a book he wouldn't be likely to read. Like maybe a textbook? Something that it wouldn't look weird that you had it in your room or if he ever caught you reading it, though.

Originally Posted by Shift

I'm not sure how safe your computer is. Is it your own personal computer, or do you share it? How do you keep him from accessing what you do? Give us a bit more info and we may be able to help you work out a safe way to do it, especially if you think he'll cause any trouble if he finds out that you are doing it behind his back or something lame like that.

You could keep a dream journal in a book he wouldn't be likely to read. Like maybe a textbook? Something that it wouldn't look weird that you had it in your room or if he ever caught you reading it, though.

Shift is entirely right.

If he can gain access to your DJ then he could become incredibly angry, and considering how you talk about him, some bad things may happen.

It's YOUR mind and YOUR body, he has no control over you once you shut your eyes and enter your bed. Everything you do then is up to you, and you should NEVER let anybody keep you down or alienate you because you want to use your brain to it's full extent and enter your dreams.

If your dad can't understand this then don't tell him. It's your own world you go to, and not his.

Don't try to make him understand, he doesn't need to know. Just make sure your Dream Journal is hidden from him.

Originally Posted by LLR

im 13 and live at home my dad dose not want me 2 try and have a lucid dream is there any thing evil about lucid dreaming b/c i do bleave in god but beside that my recall has gone 2 hell and back

LLR, are you saying that your father believes that lucid dreaming is the work of the devil? How did you explain it to him? Maybe he just doesn't know what it is.

wow lol if i did that he would proble cup check me and then ground me but im still having a dry spell.

Does your father ground you because of your lucid dreaming?

Did you mention LDs are firmly grounded in science as well as regular dreams are?

my mom didn't want me to lucid dream, but thankfully she knows quite well that she doesnt tell me what to do

Anyway, my mom's reason for not wanting me to LD was because she thinks it'll effect my sleeping schedule and aso she believes that dreams show you spiritual signs, but if you control them, you miss out on these signs. It doesn't sound like those are the reasons your dad doesn't want you to LD, but do you know why? I guess i could understand the religious side of it. Ultimate freedom with zero consequence can make temptations irrisistable. He may or may not believe that what you do in your dreams reflects your personal morality. If that's the case, he could just be trying to protect you.

Oh and it's possible your recall problem is related to your problem with your father. I find when i'm trying to improve my recall it's quite impossible unless i'm fully invested in it. If you're not sure if you want to LD or not you won't be motivated enough to journal etc. just some thoughts.

-M Gordon

Originally Posted by Clockmaker

my mom didn't want me to lucid dream, but thankfully she knows quite well that she doesnt tell me what to do

Anyway, my mom's reason for not wanting me to LD was because she thinks it'll effect my sleeping schedule and aso she believes that dreams show you spiritual signs, but if you control them, you miss out on these signs.

I liked Dr. LaBerge's response to a question like that:

Q. Since I believe that dreams are messages from the unconscious mind, I am afraid that consciously controlling my dreams would interfere with this important process and deprive me of the benefits of dream interpretation.
A. As chapter 5 will explain, dreams are not letters from the unconscious mind, but experiences created through the interactions of the unconscious and conscious mind. In dreams, more conscious knowledge is available to our conscious experience. However, the dream is not at all the exclusive realm of the unconscious mind. If it were, people would never remember their dreams, because we do not have waking access to what is not conscious.
The person, or dream ego, that we experience being in the dream is the same as our waking consciousness. It constantly influences the events of the dream through its expectations and biases, just as it does in waking life. The essential difference in the lucid dream is that the ego is aware that the experience is a dream. This allows the ego much more freedom of choice and creative responsibility to find the best way to act in the dream. (page 19, Preparation for Learning Lucid Dreaming)

Also he wrote, "A few nights later, I had the first lucid dream I remember since the serial adventure dreams I had when I was five years old. In the dream:
It was snowing gently. I was alone on the rooftop of the world, climbing K2. As I made my way upward through the steeply drifting snow, I was astonished to notice my arms were bare: I was wearing a short-sleeved shirt, hardly proper dress for climbing the second highest mountain in the world! I realized at once that the explanation was that I was dreaming! I was so delighted that I jumped off the mountain and began to fly away, but the dream faded and I awoke.
I interpreted the dream as suggesting that I wasn't yet prepared for the rigors of Tibetan dream yoga. But it was also a starting point, and I continued to have lucid dreams occasionally for eight years before I began to cultivate lucid dreaming in earnest. Incidentally, my impulsive behavior when I became lucid is typical of beginners. If I were to have such a dream now, I would not precipitously jump off the mountain. Instead, I would fly to the top of the mountain and find out if I was climbing it for any reason besides "because it was there." (EWOLD, page 47)

So actually you can fast forward to those spiritual signs through LDing hahaha

Originally Posted by Clockmaker

Anyway, my mom's reason for not wanting me to LD was because she thinks it'll effect my sleeping schedule and aso she believes that dreams show you spiritual signs, but if you control them, you miss out on these signs.

My brothers girlfriend said the same, and well shes a natural Lucid dreamer, but she doesn't want to control them. What a waste of talent...

Originally Posted by Shift

So actually you can fast forward to those spiritual signs through LDing hahaha

heheh. that just doesnt seem right. like talking to the dali lama and telling him to hurry it up so you can catch a movie.

Originally Posted by Clockmaker

heheh. that just doesnt seem right. like talking to the dali lama and telling him to hurry it up so you can catch a movie.

Yeah I agree with you. It kind of feels like cheating yourself out of an adventure.

Not if you think of the heightened clarity, logic, memory, emotions, and understanding you'd be taking up there with you. If I am supposed to be receiving important info while sleeping... man. I am practically retarded and have amnesia in my regular dreams, compared to lucids! I'd rather get to the top before losing lucidity and waking up! Besides, just by becoming lucid and climbing to the top, you'd probably get up there really really fast.

Originally Posted by Shift

Not if you think of the heightened clarity, logic, memory, emotions, and understanding you'd be taking up there with you. If I am supposed to be receiving important info while sleeping... man. I am practically retarded and have amnesia in my regular dreams, compared to lucids! I'd rather get to the top before losing lucidity and waking up! Besides, just by becoming lucid and climbing to the top, you'd probably get up there really really fast.

When you put it that way it does seem right.

Originally Posted by Dash

LLR, are you saying that your father believes that lucid dreaming is the work of the devil? How did you explain it to him? Maybe he just doesn't know what it is.

i thank he dose but i do not care im dads cool and all but he just dose not like it

Does your father ground you because of your lucid dreaming?

he would if i let him know but it my mind not his and 2 eveyone here thanks

There are a number of rights parents have over their children but something as harmless and benign as this isn't one of them.

Do with your dreams what you will. You're hurting no one; not even yourself.

ok

Originally Posted by Shift

Not if you think of the heightened clarity, logic, memory, emotions, and understanding you'd be taking up there with you. If I am supposed to be receiving important info while sleeping... man. I am practically retarded and have amnesia in my regular dreams, compared to lucids! I'd rather get to the top before losing lucidity and waking up! Besides, just by becoming lucid and climbing to the top, you'd probably get up there really really fast.

But you're assuming that the spirituality is in the destination. What if it's in the journey itself? And further, why would there be a journey in the first place if you were not meant to experience it?

of course the simplest answer is that there really is no meaning beyond what you can interpret from the ramblings of your unconscious mind.

(by the way, I'm not trying to say that these are my beliefs, just that they are valid arguments.)

-M Gordon

can some one give me a link 2 levels of lucids dreams

Originally Posted by LLR

can some one give me a link 2 levels of lucids dreams

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nux2e...eature=related

Originally Posted by Clockmaker

of course the simplest answer is that there really is no meaning beyond what you can interpret from the ramblings of your unconscious mind.

That is basically my belief. I think to a certain degree, based on your living life, it makes sense that dreams serve as metaphors and there are certain symbols relevant to each person. I think you can get answers and overcome things in dreams that are based on memories and emotions and etc. contained in your mind. But for the most part I don't believe there is any spiritual link, or that there is anything more than the simple physiological structure of the brain, so I guess I'm not even qualified to talk about journeys because I am skeptical to begin with. All I know is that regardless, people should be free to do what they want to do inside their own minds. I'm not longer naive enough to think it's the only thing that can't be taken from you, but I think it's one of the most basic rights a human being can have for itself is to use its own mind as it desires.

Everyone has had their Dad say about their life, "Wake up son and stop dreaming!"

Well you can say, "That is what I am trying to do Dad. Its called Lucidity"

Originally Posted by Shift

That is basically my belief. I think to a certain degree, based on your living life, it makes sense that dreams serve as metaphors and there are certain symbols relevant to each person. I think you can get answers and overcome things in dreams that are based on memories and emotions and etc. contained in your mind. But for the most part I don't believe there is any spiritual link, or that there is anything more than the simple physiological structure of the brain, so I guess I'm not even qualified to talk about journeys because I am skeptical to begin with. All I know is that regardless, people should be free to do what they want to do inside their own minds. I'm not longer naive enough to think it's the only thing that can't be taken from you, but I think it's one of the most basic rights a human being can have for itself is to use its own mind as it desires.

I prefer to think there is some spiritual link (I say prefer because my beliefs on the topic are somewhat dynamic as one can never be sure.) I do believe positive an negative spirits can influence people in waking life, so it only makes sense that such things could manifest themselves in dreams as well, but as in waking life, they can be kept under control if one recognizes them for what they are. However I also believe that utilization of spirits in waking life (example: using a ouija board) is rarely productive, which is why i tend not to dwell on such things in the dream world. On the other hand there is no reason that becoming lucid would effect the existence of such spirits. It ought to make negative spirits easier to resist, and positive spirits easier to understand.

Personally, though, I don't tend to dream (Lucid or no) about spiritual things. I just like to run fast and jump high. I look at lucid dreaming as an ultimate opportunity for fun rather than a spiritual experience. I suppose I could combine the two by battling demons. Maybe I'll do that next time.

-M Gordon