Thread: trouble with LDS and my pops

Originally Posted by Shift

So actually you can fast forward to those spiritual signs through LDing hahaha

heheh. that just doesnt seem right. like talking to the dali lama and telling him to hurry it up so you can catch a movie.

Originally Posted by Clockmaker

heheh. that just doesnt seem right. like talking to the dali lama and telling him to hurry it up so you can catch a movie.

Yeah I agree with you. It kind of feels like cheating yourself out of an adventure.

Not if you think of the heightened clarity, logic, memory, emotions, and understanding you'd be taking up there with you. If I am supposed to be receiving important info while sleeping... man. I am practically retarded and have amnesia in my regular dreams, compared to lucids! I'd rather get to the top before losing lucidity and waking up! Besides, just by becoming lucid and climbing to the top, you'd probably get up there really really fast.

Originally Posted by Shift

Not if you think of the heightened clarity, logic, memory, emotions, and understanding you'd be taking up there with you. If I am supposed to be receiving important info while sleeping... man. I am practically retarded and have amnesia in my regular dreams, compared to lucids! I'd rather get to the top before losing lucidity and waking up! Besides, just by becoming lucid and climbing to the top, you'd probably get up there really really fast.

When you put it that way it does seem right.

Originally Posted by Shift

Not if you think of the heightened clarity, logic, memory, emotions, and understanding you'd be taking up there with you. If I am supposed to be receiving important info while sleeping... man. I am practically retarded and have amnesia in my regular dreams, compared to lucids! I'd rather get to the top before losing lucidity and waking up! Besides, just by becoming lucid and climbing to the top, you'd probably get up there really really fast.

But you're assuming that the spirituality is in the destination. What if it's in the journey itself? And further, why would there be a journey in the first place if you were not meant to experience it?

of course the simplest answer is that there really is no meaning beyond what you can interpret from the ramblings of your unconscious mind.

(by the way, I'm not trying to say that these are my beliefs, just that they are valid arguments.)

-M Gordon

can some one give me a link 2 levels of lucids dreams

Originally Posted by LLR

can some one give me a link 2 levels of lucids dreams

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nux2e...eature=related

Originally Posted by Clockmaker

of course the simplest answer is that there really is no meaning beyond what you can interpret from the ramblings of your unconscious mind.

That is basically my belief. I think to a certain degree, based on your living life, it makes sense that dreams serve as metaphors and there are certain symbols relevant to each person. I think you can get answers and overcome things in dreams that are based on memories and emotions and etc. contained in your mind. But for the most part I don't believe there is any spiritual link, or that there is anything more than the simple physiological structure of the brain, so I guess I'm not even qualified to talk about journeys because I am skeptical to begin with. All I know is that regardless, people should be free to do what they want to do inside their own minds. I'm not longer naive enough to think it's the only thing that can't be taken from you, but I think it's one of the most basic rights a human being can have for itself is to use its own mind as it desires.

Everyone has had their Dad say about their life, "Wake up son and stop dreaming!"

Well you can say, "That is what I am trying to do Dad. Its called Lucidity"

Originally Posted by Shift

That is basically my belief. I think to a certain degree, based on your living life, it makes sense that dreams serve as metaphors and there are certain symbols relevant to each person. I think you can get answers and overcome things in dreams that are based on memories and emotions and etc. contained in your mind. But for the most part I don't believe there is any spiritual link, or that there is anything more than the simple physiological structure of the brain, so I guess I'm not even qualified to talk about journeys because I am skeptical to begin with. All I know is that regardless, people should be free to do what they want to do inside their own minds. I'm not longer naive enough to think it's the only thing that can't be taken from you, but I think it's one of the most basic rights a human being can have for itself is to use its own mind as it desires.

I prefer to think there is some spiritual link (I say prefer because my beliefs on the topic are somewhat dynamic as one can never be sure.) I do believe positive an negative spirits can influence people in waking life, so it only makes sense that such things could manifest themselves in dreams as well, but as in waking life, they can be kept under control if one recognizes them for what they are. However I also believe that utilization of spirits in waking life (example: using a ouija board) is rarely productive, which is why i tend not to dwell on such things in the dream world. On the other hand there is no reason that becoming lucid would effect the existence of such spirits. It ought to make negative spirits easier to resist, and positive spirits easier to understand.

Personally, though, I don't tend to dream (Lucid or no) about spiritual things. I just like to run fast and jump high. I look at lucid dreaming as an ultimate opportunity for fun rather than a spiritual experience. I suppose I could combine the two by battling demons. Maybe I'll do that next time.

-M Gordon

Originally Posted by Clockmaker

I look at lucid dreaming as an ultimate opportunity for fun rather than a spiritual experience.

Haha bingo That is how I am about it.

But, ah, we're getting off topic. Let us know about your computer situation so we can help you out, LLR!