For my WILD'ers/WBTB'ers

[reapsltd666]

This question mostly pertains to people who use the WILD/WBTB method because it involves some concentration/meditation to become successful (for me anyway) The question is, what do you do individually, to go back to sleep when you do this method? I know I've done it successfully a couple of times, but it can be so hard for me cause when I'm lying in bed trying to get to sp, and I'll get discouraged after 30 minutes of not being able to focus. My train of thought can stray away so far. I'll be like, "Ok, just focus on your breathing, don't think about those guy you destroyed on Halo 3 today and how you...." and you can already see where this is going. Any little thing for me, even thinking about not thinking about other stuff will get me distracted. So how do you guys get back to sleep when lying in bed, what works for you, and any tips for success.

[Scarhand]

I am the exact same way. It does help to keep thinking about your WILD the whole day leading up to it so that you get excited. If you practice enough you'll be able to just focus on your breathing, it just takes a while for some of us.

[LittleBuddy]

ya know what. screw keeping your mind relaxed. my wilds have been me just laying in bed, thinking about whatever. i dont worry about keeping yourself focused. as long as you stay awake. see, i think that people make WILDs to confusing. Lay there, dont move, when you feel the light/heaviness set in, thats when you need to concentrate because SP/ your dream will happen, like, really soon. for my wild i just ayed there, and when i felt this set in, i focused, within seconds i was experiencing MAJOR vibrations all over my whole body, then it just stopped abruptly i was like what the- boom opened my eyes in my dream room and a lucid follwed.

[Robot_Butler]

I know exactly what you mean. WILDing is not meditating. You actually do need to fall asleep to b e successful, and sometimes clearing your mind of thoughts can make it harder to fall asleep. I use reverse blinking to get into a sleepy state fast. It is exactly what it sounds like. You have your eyes closed like you naturally would when lying in bed. Then, every few seconds, you blink them open and shut again. I normally time it to my breathing to reinforce the rhythm and get into a sleep or trance like state quickly.

[transflux]

I used to fight for hours to get back to sleep. It would take an average of 40 minutes for me to fall back to sleep. Then I realized it's just a matter of decision and letting it to happen. Sometimes I got such enclosed in my emptied mind that there was simply nowhere to go. I used to call it asynchronous trance as it's usually the result of forced silence that have been developed asynchronously from relaxation. It's all about the body, guys. The whole brain gets projected on the body upside down. You have to enlive your body as a whole and try to find emptiness in your abdomen. This will initiate the retraction of activity, and inversion of the senses. The trick is to connect to your body through breathing. If you fall asleep observing your breathing you will remain conscious. If you control your breathing and you will have no other chance than remaining conscious of it. It's that simple. Another important thing is that you need to fall asleep with your intention as the last thought. That's why you need to discharge stray thoughts with counter-suggestions. You can remain passive or at a given depth you can start to actively pursue en entry (exit) by turning your attention away from the body with visualizations, hooks or pushes.

[Robot_Butler]

The trick is to connect to your body through breathing. If you fall asleep observing your breathing you will remain conscious. If you control your breathing and you will have no other chance than remaining conscious of it. It's that simple. What sort of transition to a dream do you get when you focus on your breathing? I tend to avoid thinking too much about my breathing, because I get claustrophobic when I begin to fall asleep and my breathing quickens and becomes shallow. Do you ever experience this? I know it can be a common thing if you experience sleep paralysis before entering a dream. Do you know a good way around it? I always try to distract myself from my body by visualizing a false body as vividly as possible.

[transflux]

It's usually an OBE type experience. If I can keep my consciousness all the way I would kind of start pushing myself upward into the expanse of my head. Then I would shout myself through the top of my head during a passive exhalation. I may lose consciousness for a second only to realize that I'm hearing myself breathing very loudly and from every direction. Then I know I'm able to separate. I think it's a good thing to stay with the body for a while even if you decide to take the imaginary route.

[Robot_Butler]

Have you ever tried the imagination route? I find it interesting, but logical that a meditation centered on the body leads to an OBE type experience, while a visualization leads to a more dream-entry type scenario. It holds true with my experience, but I wonder if it is true for everyone?

[transflux]

I would rather do just nothing, suppressing my thoughts. But at one point during the process I may need to actively look away. So I would go through a set of objects, visualizing and feeling them with my hand. I like to do the same with objects in my room. Sometimes I kindle spontaneous visual or auditory hypnagogy. I still wake up in my dream room, but the hard core OBE features (vibrations, elastic cords, spherical sight, etc.) are absent. I got lazy with my OBE practices and everything just slumped. Pulling out an OBE every morning requires quite a lot of energy and an eccentric life style.