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I'm definitely gonna try this tech tonight! I think it should be pretty easy... also when will you release this new tech (the one the does not require visualization) to the public? If it is as promising as your fast grab tech I think we would all like to hear it!
Every technique from waking to dream is a Wild. Also, I can see that you're comparing moving your arms to rolling in the same sense that they both involvement, but no. They're not alike. I'll assume your capable of rereading this to see the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonshine
I'm not going to say too much on it but it's in it's experimental stage of now. It's based on the principles of my fast grab tech and theories that go to the roots of the driving forces behind it. Etc. I'm hoping to make it a 3 sec induction tech without little or no visualization, but I'm not promising anything. For now, enjoy this tech or my other ones I posted and let's keep my developing tech from too much talk as to prevent hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danislivingthedream
does the image have to be first person view?
Yes, and if you suck at visualization and not the type to want to work on it because thats you, then try out M Wild, Wendy's variation of this. This tech is a little harder but gives you a sure shot. The variation of this is a little easier, but its like a flip of a coin chance. Choices choices :) Got any questions as to why it work, don't be afraid to ask, just not a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by awakeness
Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by spaceexplorer
When I attempt this, I usually end up grabbing at nothing quite a few times, but it never really interrupts my next attempt. I wake up right at 4 hours, so I'm tired enough that I can fall right back into that relaxed state.. Maybe adjusting your amount of sleep before the attempt will keep you from totally waking yourself up when you grab..?
I tried this technique last night, and got by far the most vivid visualizations I have ever had (I'm usually not very good at it). The images were almost solid, like they were actually there in real life.
I reached out to grab them, and saw my dream hand grab them, and go right through them. No luck. I kept grabbing at them, and they would fade momentarilly, but I couldn't actually enter the dream.
Later, I woke up and realized that I was trying the technique in a dream, which would explain why the visualization was so good. I was a bit annoyed that I didn't notice this, but that's nothing new. It ended up being a really fun dream anyway, though, so not a total loss.
Just to be clear though: When we're visualizing, it should be in the "mind's eye", and not actually trying to put the image on the inside of your eyelids, right? I think a large part of my problem is that I'm trying the latter more often than the former.
Didn't get it to work last time, tryin again tonight
bout to go bed ill try this technique the theory seems like it will work! ill post tomo what happens
Aha, Malac. You seem to have done well this time.
I'll be honest... someone told me you had another tech and I got my skeptic pad out and looked to see what it was all about. I was very happy to find a quite logical and helpful v-wild tech/supplement. I give this the arby official stamp of approval... whatever that means anymore around here XD
Also, no (well almost no) 100%/superiority dressings so I give you another :clap: for that. Welcome to the trustable technique community, malac. =)
I leaned back, stepped through this and got a vivid rainforest (grabbed a big fern leaf) and it worked pretty well but I didn't like the pause after you grab the leaf and look around. It is a chance for instability when the visualization might not have fully stableized/matured yet. Thus I present a twist I played with. Instead I grabbed an interactable object and used it. In my case, I grabbed a stick off the ground and started to hit the things closest to me with it. Kept me occupied longer and led up a little plot (whacked an animal etc... not gonna get into all that XD).
Well, this worked for me last night, with some modification. I woke up after 6-7 hours of sleep, then lay back down to sleep. I then relaxed and let my mind wander for about 5 minutes, until I was in that stage where I was getting intermittent hallucinations. Then, I began to visualise a scene, becoming brighter. I turned my attention to my arm, and I could definitely feel both my dream arm and real arm superimposed. I focused on the dream arm, and began to move it forward. However, I didn't get far before it 'snapped back', and could again only feel my real body. I started up a new visualisation, just trying to see a single object this time (I didn't attempt to consciously influence what it would be), and this time, was able to fully separate my dream body from my real body. I was then in a dream, in my bedroom, but my (dream) eyes were closed. I did many nose RCs, to make sure it was a dream (not having eyesight made it harder to spot differences), then sat down on my bed, and attempted to crack my eyes open. I managed this a few times, but each time, I felt like opening them any more would open my real eyes and wake me up, so I stayed blind. When I did crack my eyes open, I saw a sunset through the windows. The dream lasted about 20-30 seconds, probably because I had already slept quite a few hours, and because the curtains are basically useless, so there was sunlight streaming into my real bedroom. Also, I was unable to really do any of the usual stabilising techniques, such as looking at my hands, or examining objects. In hindsight, I should have thought to rub my palms together once I had done the RCs.
Seems effective. Last night I tried it out and it seemed to have worked. I managed to slip into a dream but lost it shortly thereafter. That was probably because I have not attempted LD'ing in a good while and am a bit rusty.
Still, for that amount of success on a first try, I was pretty impressed with myself and this method.
I remember reading about how there was all kinda of arguments of some such regarding a 'malac' but I'm not sure what that was all about...this idea of yours seems to be effective, as far as I can tell. I'll work with it a bit more and see what happens.
All you need to know is that Malac has made himself a... er "Well known figure" around here before. But from what I see, he might deserve a clean slate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tryble
On that note, I just found the time to browse the thread and I have some more comments:
For people who are having trouble visualizing - There are many tricks and threads scattered around to help you do so. The best word of advice I can give you is to use something from memory. Any memory that is vivid. Movie, place you've been, place you've been in a dream.... If you can remember what it looks like well then you've already done the first few steps. You have visualized it. It is that easy. Then, you try to bring everything into better focus at once / brighten it / make it more colorful (They all describe the same thing, mind you. It's just hard to put it into words) and reach out to it with your hands that are in the same place as it.
There are a few good threads on visualizing. The one I would recommend most to partner with this tech is Kromoh's VILD due to it's more lightweight and conceptual nature. Tis exactly what the doctor ordered.
There's also a need to promote my own, of course, which is in my sig. Although it might be slightly too heavy for use here. It could help people who are grabbing thin air tho =O.
Helpful stuff aside, this is for you malac. Cut the "OMG I MADE A FAST TECH" crap. By defininition, all V-WILD (Visual WILD, your tech falls under this classification) can take under 10 seconds. And seeing as there have been many V-WILD techs before this, you lose. It doesn't even impress anyone. I can understand wanting more people to click on the title and make sure you get your 15 minutes of fame(somethign you've tried too hard for before, and not succedded at, at least in the way you were intending) But stop the gloating and the attitude. You know where it gets you.
"Materialize yourself conceptually into a dreamscape"Quote:
I Challenge someone to make a technique faster than this.
I DARE someone to make an instant induction!
This is a fully functional technique although I've only met a handful of people who could do this. You might make it a handful plus one, i'm not quite sure. You're evidently on your way if you aren't there already.
But desbite my bitterness, you're still good in my books, k? Stuff like this just gets on my nerves. It makes me feel like "100% inducction, $5.99!" or "10 second induction, $19.99" Is the next step for this once awesome and modest community.
Peace
i tried last night and got up went toliet came back tried it i saw flashy colours then i saw pictures then it got foggy then i just failed :S ill try again tonite i think it was cuz i took like 10 minutes to actually try it
I can't visualize at all and I don't understand Wendies method at all. Help!! I've tried this twice and it doesn't work at all, I can't visualize anything at all and i'ts extremely frustraiting. I can't even visulaize my own room! could you maybe post a visualization tutorial or something?
Yeah what I'm wondering is.. how long does it take? and also..Quote:
Originally Posted by samf
IS visualization the same as imagination? cause for some reason I end up visualizing in the third person and stuff, even when I try not to..
I often have that problem, too. I haven't figured out why I sometimes imagine things in the first person and sometimes in the third, but I think it might have to do with how conscious I am. The more aware I am, the more I imagine things in the first person, which can be annoying because if I'm starting to drift off, it'll change. Do you find that to be true?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionsroar
I'm trying this again tonight, wish me luck! I'll report on how I do. Hopefully I don't completely fall asleep when I am trying it.
i sleep at 12 and woke up around 4':30am, then went to restroom then tried to sleep and practise this..but i can't sleep..
So I tried this last night, but it was after about 9 hours of sleep and I wasn't too tired. I couldn't really visualize anything when I tried. I got bored and turned back on my side, unsuccessful.
Many people may enter SP at different times of there imagery, some later than others for them reaching out and grabbing may possibly everytime move there real hand, just really a thought tho.
But definitely sounds like a really wicked technic which i like a lot and will give it a shot. Im good at visualization and have seen many detailed pictures when tired on the onset of falling asleep. Can easily see how it would be applied and work for many people thanx for posting it bro
How clear is it that you should try to grab the object? Is it obvious enough that you just know that you should try?
You just provided a possible answer to my biggest LD problem. I'm very grateful, I'll try it tonight.
Thanks to Malac's technique, I had my first lucid dream last night!:banana:
So thankyou malac for coming out w/ this technique.
and for any other people who r curious, this technique is very easy. It took me about two minutes to let a vivid place come to me but once I did I simply grabbed the object, then did an Rc...and from that point on I was Lucid. Its Awesome!
ps. This was my first attempt w/ any lucid dream technique in months.
how do you visualize ive tried this twice and utterly failed exactly what do you look for? :S
Heh, nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucid03
@maxy and everyone else who is confused with visualizing. Its just imagery. What to look for is vivid imagery that is described in this detailed thread. Simple and quick answer :D
While you guys hang tight and continue to attempt and work this, I'm trying different ways to optimize and make this more "user-friendly" than it already is lol. For those of you who had success with this, please describe your experience on what you did and how to help others who are having trouble visualizing.