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[wendylove]

Anyway, to not clog up Malac's thread I made another thread, with a more successful and less gay variation of his theory. This involves no visualization. So basically, I have to wake up 9pm most days. So I do this technique at 8pm. Its really improtant to do this an hour before you wake up. You have to abit tired. So you wake up at 8pm and then just lay there. Now relax, this is improtant, note no meditation. You will find there will be hallucinations like for example sounds or random thoughts distracting you. So when the hallucinations get strong like for example you can hear stuff or colours appears, quickly get out of you're bed. You should start by moving you're arms up and then get out of you're bed. Then look for something to varify its a dream, for example is the time wrong or something is missing. If so you have succeeded, walk out of you're dream house. If not try again. The dreams feels real, and before you get fully into the dream you will fill like you're actually moving you're body. This is a trick, so I would look for signs that it is a dream. Note. When seeing hallucinations it improtant to quickly get out of you're bed and then check to see if you're in a dream, even if you think its silly. As you might get lucky and it builds the habit of doing it. So in basic words, 1)Wake up an hour before you have to wake up. 2)Wait for hallucinations to happen. 3)Quickly move out of you're bed. 4)Check to see if in dream. 5)If not try again. The good thing about this technique is that you can keep on trying and if you fail then you just have a normal dream of which when you wake up you can remeber. Saying that I been really succesfull so far, although the lucid dreams in this technique can be pretty bad, like being chased by a hammer. P.S. The M stands for Malac or movement.

[The Subatomic Level]

I think I'll give this a shot; thanks for the info. Around what percentage of the times you try does this work for you?

[wendylove]

I think I'll give this a shot; thanks for the info. Around what percentage of the times you try does this work for you? About 30-40%, however its kind of like flipping a coin every ten minautes waiting to get a heads. You could move the time back half an hour, so you have an hour an a half to try and do this.

[The Subatomic Level]

About 30-40%, however its kind of like flipping a coin every ten minautes waiting to get a heads. You could move the time back half an hour, so you have an hour an a half to try and do this. So this normally works for you almost every morning, it just may take 3 or 4 tries and 30 or 40 minutes?

[wendylove]

So this normally works for you almost every morning, it just may take 3 or 4 tries and 30 or 40 minutes? No, it takes about one or two tries to do it.

[smcmaho]

how long does it take you to start hearing hallucinations?

[Malac Reborn]

Heh, nice one Wendy I'm going to try out your variation and study the results and components involved that had been added and changed. Also, when you describe hallucinations, how strong? The amount that I desribed or something else. Please explain

[Tweek]

What the fuck? Are you kidding? You're making it sound like you can't tell the difference between real life and a dream? That's not the case at all though. Are you saying you lay in bed with your eyes open and wait for hallucinations? Are you on crack? Seriously, is this a joke? Last time I checked you have to fall asleep to dream. What are you talking about get out of bed and look around to see if it's a dream? Are you saying that some times you get out of bed and you realize it's not a dream after you walk out your house? Please clarify this for me.

[Malac Reborn]

What the fuck? Are you kidding? You're making it sound like you can't tell the difference between real life and a dream? That's not the case at all though. Are you saying you lay in bed with your eyes open and wait for hallucinations? Are you on crack? Seriously, is this a joke? Last time I checked you have to fall asleep to dream. What are you talking about get out of bed and look around to see if it's a dream? Are you saying that some times you get out of bed and you realize it's not a dream after you walk out your house? Please clarify this for me. Lol, are you sure your on the right forums. Everyone who might see your post might laugh or flame you so I would edit that. Plus the fact that this is Wendys thread and chances are she'll make a reply to make you look even worse. Just trying to help you out...

[wendylove]

how long does it take you to start hearing hallucinations? It depends, how tired you our. When you wake up quickly go back to bed for best results, also try to relax. Also, when you describe hallucinations, how strong? Not that strong, it just there needs to be hallucinations. You're making it sound like you can't tell the difference between real life and a dream? Thats actually true, I for one failed todays attempt because I didn't do an RC. Are you saying you lay in bed with your eyes open and wait for hallucinations? I haven't mention you're eyes are open. What are you talking about get out of bed and look around to see if it's a dream? Read the method, lol. Essentially when you have hallucinations you do this. Are you saying that some times you get out of bed and you realize it's not a dream after you walk out your house? No, again you do an RC or look for something different in you're room.

[archdreamer]

What the fuck? Are you kidding? You're making it sound like you can't tell the difference between real life and a dream? That's not the case at all though. Are you saying you lay in bed with your eyes open and wait for hallucinations? Are you on crack? Seriously, is this a joke? Last time I checked you have to fall asleep to dream. What are you talking about get out of bed and look around to see if it's a dream? Are you saying that some times you get out of bed and you realize it's not a dream after you walk out your house? Please clarify this for me. Wendy has said everything that needs to be said in response to this regarding the method, but, nevertheless: I urge you to please read a post before responding to it, especially if your response is going to be of this nature. Also: Wendy: I have to wake up 9pm most days. So I do this technique at 8pm. Its really improtant to do this an hour before you wake up. You have to abit tired. So you wake up at 8pm You may well be sleep during the day/evening for whatever reason, in which case, disregard me here, but if you actually meant that you wake up at nine in the morning, then you seem to have typoed 'pm' where you meant 'am', which changes the meaning significantly. Just a heads up.

[wendylove]

You may well be sleep during the day/evening for whatever reason, in which case, disregard me here, but if you actually meant that you wake up at nine in the morning, then you seem to have typoed 'pm' where you meant 'am', which changes the meaning significantly. Just a heads up. Yeah, I made a silly error, I mean't am.

[Malac Reborn]

Well, hallucinations can vary. There are the strong vivid images and then there are the "I think I saw some form of something". Could you describe more thoroughly? Btw, instead of grabbing something last night, I did this and had an FA later on, so that shows interest. I guess since the fact that you're getting up with a mindset that you're still in your bed, it induces the environment to always initialize in a room.

[wendylove]

Well, hallucinations can vary. There are the strong vivid images and then there are the "I think I saw some form of something". Could you describe more thoroughly? Well, its when you're just about to nod off and you feel really light headed and can hear stuff. It doesn't have to be vivid, you just need to be light headed. Btw, instead of grabbing something last night, I did this and had an FA later on, so that shows interest. I guess since the fact that you're getting up with a mindset that you're still in your bed, it induces the environment to always initialize in a room. Thats basically what you want to do, you want a FA so then you can do a RC. Everytime this has worked for me its basically a FA or its like a FA. Say you did it and it worked, then you would be in you're bedroom out of you're bed. Saying that it really realistic so straight away do an RC. Let me make it more clear. Hallucinations are good to look for, however if you get the feeling that time is slipping kind of like being dizzy or light headed then do it. However, you have to quickly get out of you're bed. Then you're in a FA, then do an RC. Also, it works better if you're relaxed and I not thinking that much, as you get that time slippy feeling quicker.

[Malac Reborn]

Well, its when you're just about to nod off and you feel really light headed and can hear stuff. It doesn't have to be vivid, you just need to be light headed. Thats basically what you want to do, you want a FA so then you can do a RC. Everytime this has worked for me its basically a FA or its like a FA. Say you did it and it worked, then you would be in you're bedroom out of you're bed. Saying that it really realistic so straight away do an RC. Let me make it more clear. Hallucinations are good to look for, however if you get the feeling that time is slipping kind of like being dizzy or light headed then do it. However, you have to quickly get out of you're bed. Then you're in a FA, then do an RC. Also, it works better if you're relaxed and I not thinking that much, as you get that time slippy feeling quicker. Heh I understand you. Thanks for clearing that up Wendy. So tonight Imma try this at sometime tonight again when my head "feels light". Now last question. I am curious if its the light-headedness right before passing out at the border of sleep, like Fild. Or the feeling of nowhere around you like "hmm I feel comfortable".

[wendylove]

Now last question. I am curious if its the light-headedness right before passing out at the border of sleep, like Fild. Or the feeling of nowhere around you like "hmm I feel comfortable". Both, however more of the second. You have to phase out a little.

[Robot_Butler]

I can't imagine my girlfriend being too happy about me getting in and out of bed every 5 minutes, but I like the idea. I have had success with just imagining myself getting out of bed over and over. This is sort of the same thing, but for those who have trouble vividly imagining something.

[Tweek]

malac, she kinda got off on the wrong foot with me for accusing that your method was,"gay." I'm not judging here or anything, and I don't really care what people here think of me. Yes, I do think I am on the wrong forum. It's just what Wendy is describing, sounds very weird. She's making it sound like you can't tell a difference between real life and a dream. I understand that when you are in the dream, it's hard to tell. BUT wheny you are concious and not in a dream, it's not like you have to look around your room to make sure your still alive... I don't know about you, but I've never felt,"Light headed or dizzy" while laying in bed. I do know what your talking about like where your starting to slip away, but if I tried to open my eyes at that point, it would be guruanteed that I am not asleep. I haven't mention you're eyes are open. But you haven't mentioned that your eyes are closed either. Sorry for the rudeness, this post just struck me as very odd.

[Dash]

. Honey I think she means falling asleep, and getting hallucinations from that. It's no different from an RC, though I personally can tell when I'm dreaming mostly without an RC. The reason for this is because in a WILD you may not be able to tell sometimes if you're asleep or awake mostly because you usually create a dream in the same environment (you go to sleep in your bed, and start having the dream that you're in your bed).

[Tweek]

Thank you! I was very confused.

[wendylove]

I can't imagine my girlfriend being too happy about me getting in and out of bed every 5 minutes, but I like the idea. I have had success with just imagining myself getting out of bed over and over. This is sort of the same thing, but for those who have trouble vividly imagining something. Sorry, but you don't get out of you're bed every 5 minautes. The only time you get out of you're bed is when you're really light headed and can hear voices in you're head or noises, also you're slipping from consciousness. Trust me I have never gotten out of my bed and I'm not in a dream. It just really real and you might think you're in the dream. For example I successfully did this last night, I got out of bed, everything seemed real. However, I did an RC and looked around then walked out of the house. Trust me you won't be waking you're girlfriend every five minautes. If you do this right, then I pretty sure even if you did try to move you're real body you would be in sleep paralyse. I do know what your talking about like where your starting to slip away, but if I tried to open my eyes at that point, it would be guruanteed that I am not asleep. You don't open you're eyes. You quickly rush out of bed. This is too different things, basically you're in sort of a sleep paralyse, however you don't know it. Again, don't open you're eyes. Move out of you're bed and do an RC, then you're find yourself in a dream. But you haven't mentioned that your eyes are closed either. Just forget you're eyes. Don't even mention them again in this thread. Also, sometimes when you do this you can't move at all. You're sort of in sleep paralyse, so the thing you need to do is too force yourself out of you're bed. This takes alot of strength because it kind of like lifting weights, however after you have got yourself out of bed you're in the dream. This happen to me last night, so if you find yourself unable to move, then you try you're hardest to move out of you're bed. BUT wheny you are concious and not in a dream, it's not like you have to look around your room to make sure your still alive... As above, you never actually fail this technique. I have never gotten out of the bed and I'm not in a dream. However, in the dream you can be tricked alot. I failed it like five times, by getting tricked. This is easy, I had like twenty lucid dreams from this. Maybe, I should bullet point everything. I will think about how to explain it easier.

[Tweek]

Well I did try it last night and I will admit I did come close. It's just that I think timing is everything with this one. Can you elaborate with the SP part? I mean do you "get out of bed" while you are going into SP, or once you are in it? You said that you don't know your in it when you "quickly get out of bed," but how do you not know if you are in it or not? I mean I get enlightened similar to while meditating while I am slipping in and out of a dream, but how do you know when to actually imagine getting out of bed without actually getting out of bed? If I am concious enough to imagine getting out of bed, I'm probably not asleep unless it's a FA. Do you see where I am coming from now? I have a feeling this technique takes a lot of experience with WILD, am I wrong?

[wendylove]

I mean I get enlightened similar to while meditating while I am slipping in and out of a dream, but how do you know when to actually imagine getting out of bed without actually getting out of bed? Firstly, it when you slip into and out of consciousness then you do it. Lastly, you don't imagine getting out of bed, you actually move yourself out of bed, like you would do normally. On the timing issue, you don't have to be exact, you do it when you feel yourself being real weak and light headed and slip into and out of consciousness. If I am concious enough to imagine getting out of bed, I'm probably not asleep unless it's a FA. Do you see where I am coming from now? No, Tweek. You don't imagine. You go to move like you would normally do. Just do the technique, seriously. This involves no visualization or imagining or anysort. I have a feeling this technique takes a lot of experience with WILD, am I wrong? No. Can you elaborate with the SP part? I mean do you "get out of bed" while you are going into SP, or once you are in it? It doesn't matter. The point I was trying to make is that you would never get out of bed if you fail it. It's just that I think timing is everything with this one. No its not. I been able to do this for the past week, its freaking easy.

[The Subatomic Level]

About 30-40%, however its kind of like flipping a coin every ten minautes waiting to get a heads. You could move the time back half an hour, so you have an hour an a half to try and do this. Earlier you said that it's like flipping a coin as to whether or not this works when you try to get out of bed. In one of your last couple of posts though you've said: Trust me I have never gotten out of my bed and I'm not in a dream. So does the other side of the coin just mean you wake up and think your in reality and forget to do a reality check?

[wendylove]

So does the other side of the coin just mean you wake up and think your in reality and forget to do a reality check? That or you just wake up like fiften minautes later or something. Anyway, with practice I'm sure I can improve my abillity to not get tricked.