WILD making me wild. Grrrrrrrr

[moonshine]

I've attempted and failed WILDs a number of times now. First time was straight to be. Felt my body go down. Felt the 1st stage vibrations. Felt the 2nd stage big vibrations. But didn't get anywhere. Gave up and found that 5-6hrs had gone by. Next time tried from waking in the night. Got up for a pee. Filled in dream journal. Back to be. Perfectly still. Stage 1 vibrations. Staring at space. Some HI. Nothing earthshattering. Gave up. 2 hours gone by. Afternoon nap WILD. Much the same. Some MILDS which aciddentally became WILDS as I lay there. Much the same. Tried WILD last night. 2 hours gone when I gave up. Tried WILD this afternoon (as I was knackered after lunch). Did 61 point relaxation, and kept nodding off but catching myself. Later I started to feel less groggy. Eventually my arms legs and body feel numb. Tried countdown. Tried "I'm dreaming". Tried Visualisation. Tried watching HI. Nothing! Gave up, 2 hours gone. So here's my question. I what point is it sensible to just abort? When does it become pointless? Its wearing me down.

[Dave B]

I guess some people just find it easier and others find it impossible. Don't get discouraged though.

[dogdirts]

It's putting your body to sleep while keeping your mind awake for gods sake. It's not clipping your nails, this is HARD! Keep trying though, is anything worth achieving easy? Keep at it.

[Ghost94]

Just read BillyBob´s "How To WILD" thread. Can´t provide link right now... Search it

[WolfeDreamer531]

Billy Bob's How to WILD Clarity's WILD Technique The latter link helped me out a lot, but everyone is different. You have to know your body and how your body reacts when trying to WILD. It sounds like you might be waking yourself up from excitement. Once this happens, it can be very hard to go back to sleep. But thats not to say that you cant WILD after that much time has gone by. Believe it or not, my first WILD came after trying/waiting to fall back asleep for 4 hours. It was well worth it too. So read all you can about WILDing and keep practicing and you will definitely get it. Another technique you might want to add to WILDing is REM deprivation. This is basically going w/o REM sleep for at least three days (or more). The goal is to sleep for about three to four hours for three or more days until you're ready to attempt your WILD. This helps b/c your body will be going through REM rebound which will make your dreams extremely vivid.

[moonshine]

Thanks for the responses guys. I really am beside myself at the moment. I tried a WILD again last night. Got up at four. Moved to the spare bedroom, masks on, earplugs in. 61 point relaxation technique. Stayed quite still. Didn't swallow.Didn't move my eyes. My arms and legs got numb like they usually do (not SP I think, just the fact that I'm not moving). Got through the Itchy nose, itch face fake outs. But had to give up after two hours. Back to bed with the missus. Tried to fall asleep but couldn't. Ended up in another attempted WILD because of it. Cut out the counting, as I think this is keeping me too awake. Just concentrated on my breathing. Another two hours. No joy. Boy I'm knackered today though. Billy Bob's How to WILD Clarity's WILD Technique The latter link helped me out a lot, but everyone is different. You have to know your body and how your body reacts when trying to WILD. It sounds like you might be waking yourself up from excitement. Once this happens, it can be very hard to go back to sleep. But thats not to say that you cant WILD after that much time has gone by. Believe it or not, my first WILD came after trying/waiting to fall back asleep for 4 hours. It was well worth it too. So read all you can about WILDing and keep practicing and you will definitely get it. I've read all the wild guides. I've hunted through the forum and read every wild thread I could find. Everything about SP too. It just doesn't seem to be clicking. You may be right about me being to excited. I definitely woke up before my alarm this morning in anticipation. My head was buzzing initially, though the relaxation techniques helped. Don't think I even got the wave of 1st stage vibrations even, which I readily achieved the first two times I tried WILD. Would seratonin help a begineer like me go under quicker? In any event I need to take a break from it for a while and get some proper sleep.

[ClouD]

Ask yourself, if you are stuck at a certain stage, why is it that you are stuck? Perhaps you should visualise at this point. Fall into a scenario you create, but with a double-edged awareness - of yourself and the scenario.

[moonshine]

Billy Bob's How to WILD Actually whilst I read Billybobs thread previously, I don't think I took it all in. Having an "expectation" may well be my problem. My expectation was to let my body fall asleep without losing consciousness and a dream would come. So I'm now pretty good at not moving and getting numb. Its not like I was doing a lot of thinking. I know enough that I want to be keeping it simple. But billybobs notion that I want to be falling asleep mentally (whilst holding onto that anchor) is interesting. Is my interpretation of this correct? As to my question of when to give up, do I need to feel mentally as well as physically tired for it to work. If I wake up and I'm too alert, is it best not to bother? If I'm numb but I find my thoughs are too clear, should I give up? Thanks again for your answers everyone.

[WolfeDreamer531]

I've read all the wild guides. I've hunted through the forum and read every wild thread I could find. Everything about SP too. It just doesn't seem to be clicking. I dont think you've read mine yet! These are the steps to my WILD technique: 1. Devote at least 2 hours (or more) to WILDing. 2. Remember your goal (where you want to go, what you want to do, etc). 3. Dismiss any other thoughts and focus only on taking slow, deep breaths. 4. Remain COMPLETELY still, no matter what. 5. Try to steer clear of straying/abstract thoughts when entering SP (random/abstract thoughts means that the logical part of your brain is falling asleep, dont let it!). (they can also cause you to enter a non-Lucid Dream which would make all this work was for nothing!) 6. Dont fight or resist SP in any way / stay relaxed and calm when it begins to happen. 7. Continue to focus only on your (slow, deep) breathing as vibrations, Hypnagogic Imagery, and auditory hallucinations become more intense from SP. (you can focus on and/or visualize your goal once you think you've got the breathing part down packed). 8. Continue step 7 until you feel that sudden rush of falling through your bed or through the ceiling (in my case); this should mean that SP is complete, and hence you are ready to dream. 9. If you are not already in a dream scene, then spin around or rub your hands together (or both) in order to conjure up one. Doing this can also stabilize a fading/blurry dream scene. There you have it, those are pretty much all the steps I take when Im attempting a WILD. And if it doesnt work the first time, remember that it takes time so dont give up! I know it seems like a lot, but once you've been through it many times, you will become better and better at it. You may be right about me being to excited. I definitely woke up before my alarm this morning in anticipation. My head was buzzing initially, though the relaxation techniques helped. Don't think I even got the wave of 1st stage vibrations even, which I readily achieved the first two times I tried WILD. Yeah, I think excitement/expectation is whats keeping you from getting it all the way. This is why practice is the best way to become "used to" entering the dream world. You will also become familiar with Sleep Paralysis, the feelings of SP, the effects SP has on you, and how to react to SP in future WILD attempts. Would seratonin help a begineer like me go under quicker? In any event I need to take a break from it for a while and get some proper sleep. Yeah take a break to get refreshed for some intense WILDing!!! lol And by Serotonin, did you mean Melatonin? Actually whilst I read Billybobs thread previously, I don't think I took it all in. Having an "expectation" may well be my problem. My expectation was to let my body fall asleep without losing consciousness and a dream would come. So I'm now pretty good at not moving and getting numb. Its not like I was doing a lot of thinking. I know enough that I want to be keeping it simple. Looks like you're already ahead of me. Like i said above, thats why practicing is the best way to overcome expectation/excitement. Once you've dont it so many times and become used to it, you wont have any reasons to become excited like you used to and you'll be a lot better at controlling your emotions like expectation. I noticed this as I practiced WILDing more often. But billybobs notion that I want to be falling asleep mentally (whilst holding onto that anchor) is interesting. Is my interpretation of this correct? I cant really help you out on the whole anchor thing seeing how I dont really use an anchor when I WILD As to my question of when to give up, do I need to feel mentally as well as physically tired for it to work. If I wake up and I'm too alert, is it best not to bother? If I'm numb but I find my thoughs are too clear, should I give up? Thanks again for your answers everyone. Well everybody is different, but if you're like me, then Id say not to even bother. Because I know the minute I wake up whether im going to be able to WILD or not. And if im alert and not tired (physically and/or mentally) then im most likely not going to WILD, or even fall back asleep for that matter.