Thread: Do you tell fibs about having LDs?

When a young male goes on the Internet, acts like a tough guy, struts around and talks trash about his alleged dreaming prowess, you can bet your last dollar that he's never had an LD.

Wow. Isn't it really funny how thats exactly what you're doing?

I can understand not telling us how the -correct- answer is attained,
But you still wont say why its not okay to read on the forum.
How can you even argue with these people?

So, since I apparently have to word the question in a way that would be appealing to you----if I do your little errand, am I still able to accheive the right answer? ORRRR is it now invalid since I've read it on the forum and not directly from your godly hands. Honestly. Seriously. Is it still possible or what? I'm sure there are probably still people who want to do it so it can only BENEFIT YOU to answer.

I'm not even arguing with you by asking you a question, either.
You know, most people here would be less skeptical if you just gave them something believable to work with. But saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a liar is so out there that it makes me wonder how you judge peoples character in real life. Or how you deal with life at all, if you apply these weird assumptions to everyone.

Plus, if I get a better hang of this WILD thing, I'd actually try it. Just for shits & giggles. But apparently I can't anymore because I already read it.. ???

Edit// Also, does the answer you get change if you already know who Cynthia is and what Minarez is?

Originally Posted by anonymous

So when you torture a DC (who cares if it's a real person or a part of your imagination? you still have the desire to torture), you're not a psycho? Aren't dreams our fantasies?

Well no, you are completely wrong there.

Someone who plays a electronic game which simulates killing another person must be a murderer in the making? (Who cares if it's real person or part of the game? Do they still have the desire to kill?)

I really doubt every gamer is to be a mass murderer..

Our dreams may sometimes be our fantasies, but they can also be many other things. Lucid dreaming gives us the chance (like gaming) to experience things, even being sadistic, but in a controlled environment where the simulation is not "real", which could easily mean the person does not have to be a "psycho", in fact they can be perfectly normal.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

When you manage to do it, e-mail me and let me know.

And don't imagine that you can fool me about it. Especially since I've already busted quite a few of you.

If I still want to partake in your "quest to find if people are lying about this lucid dreams" do I still use the first PM that you sent me? It doesn't seem like you believe that to be ruined any more for some reason.

You seemed to change your point of view quickly about the status of it being ruined or not by continuing to accept answers. Does this mean you are now going to apologise to Mad Stratter and everyone else you previously accused of being liars? Clearly there was nothing that you "busted' since they did not do anything wrong with the task.

I do believe if someone was incapable of having Lucid dreams they would not post here in this topic. Someone who would want to lie about having lucid dreams would not bother coming into this tread to take the task if there was a chance that they would get busted for not being able to lucid dream.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

You want it closed because none of you boys -- and I do mean boys -- can do the task.

Do you believe that males are incapable of having lucid dreams? Didn't you say originally that it was a girl who was having completely different results compared with all of your "test" subjects?

Have you ever had a lucid dream?

>>Wow. Isn't it really funny how thats exactly what you're doing? <,

Why don't you just DO THE TASK?

>>I can understand not telling us how the -correct- answer is attained,
But you still wont say why its not okay to read on the forum.
How can you even argue with these people?<<

Because, for one thing, people are not supposed to COLLABORATE. They're supposed to DO THE TASK. And for other reasons too that I don't need to tell you about. Just DO THE TASK or be quiet.

>.So, since I apparently have to word the question in a way that would be appealing to you----if I do your little errand, am I still able to accheive the right answer? ORRRR is it now invalid since I've read it on the forum and not directly from your godly hands. Honestly. Seriously. Is it still possible or what? I'm sure there are probably still people who want to do it so it can only BENEFIT YOU to answer. <<

It's ruined for the purposes that I posed it. But the people who are able to do so can still carry it out.

>>But saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a liar<<

What a ridiculous thing for you to say. Nobody in the history of the world has ever said such a thing, let alone me. I was going to answer the rest of your post, but you dropped below the level of notice there.

And below this, someone wants to revive the long-running "debate" over whether purposely torturing and committing murders in one's dreams is good behavior.

My advice to you is to hurry up and apply for a job at Guantanamo before the incoming administration closes it. The torturers will be out of jobs then.

>>If I still want to partake in your "quest to find if people are lying about this lucid dreams" do I still use the first PM that you sent me? It doesn't seem like you believe that to be ruined any more for some reason.<,

Who said that was my "quest?" and why do you have that in quotation marks?

>>Does this mean you are now going to apologise to Mad Stratter and everyone else you previously accused of being liars? Clearly there was nothing that you "busted' since they did not do anything wrong with the task.<<

He's a weasel for posting the task I sent him by PM. And he's a liar every time he says he has LDs.

>>I do believe if someone was incapable of having Lucid dreams they would not post here in this topic. Someone who would want to lie about having lucid dreams would not bother coming into this tread to take the task if there was a chance that they would get busted for not being able to lucid dream.<<

Of course they'll come to this thread. They'll come here to say that this task is somehow beneath them and that they won't do it, although they very easily could. That's how they'll try to keep up their presense.

And here is my response to anything that anyone else wants to say about it:

Just do the task or shut up.

>>What a ridiculous thing for you to say. Nobody in the history of the world has ever said such a thing, let alone me. I was going to answer the rest of your post, but you dropped below the level of notice there.<<

Of course you didn't say it. You didn't directly say it. All you did was accuse everyone who disagreed with you of being a liar.

I'm sorry one thing I said could stop you from replying to the rest of my post, if I don't appease your short attention span it must be pointless to read.

Since I'm below your level of godliness I guess I'll stop debating with you.

Still, I'm pretty sure your superiority complex and feminism can be attributed to your high school experience, whether you're in it or not. I assume you still are, looking at how desperate you are to act mature and be in control. After all, on the internet you can be better than others. I suggest therapy.

P.S. I did the task. Cynthia agreed with me on the therapy part, and she also said you should try to save face before you get owned by everyone in this thread, because YOU are the fibber, my friend.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And below this, someone wants to revive the long-running "debate" over whether purposely torturing and committing murders in one's dreams is good behavior.

My advice to you is to hurry up and apply for a job at Guantanamo before the incoming administration closes it. The torturers will be out of jobs then.

Actually the fact that you didn't come back with anything apart from telling me to join some random job thing means that you must agree that my points were valid. The fact that I have never had a torturous dream should show you that I am on the same level as you with this, except we have different views. Next time you post about this "debate" do it with you main account not your "anonymous" one.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Who said that was my "quest?" and why do you have that in quotation marks?

I say: This is your quest.
It should have actually been in italics, but that is beside the point.

"do I still use the first PM that you sent me?" could you answer it this time maybe if you can instead of bringing up random things like me putting something in quotes instead of italics?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

He's a weasel for posting the task I sent him by PM. And he's a liar every time he says he has LDs.

Your task was not ruined at all by him. You have no proof that he is a liar, he did nothing wrong.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Of course they'll come to this thread. They'll come here to say that this task is somehow beneath them and that they won't do it, although they very easily could. That's how they'll try to keep up their presense.

Really? Than for the people who do the task, how will anything be proved? You have now stated yourself that people who cannot do the task "won't do it". How are you proving anything?



"Have you ever had a lucid dream? "

You seemed to have just accidentally skipped this question along with others..

>>S. I did the task. Cynthia agreed with me on the therapy part.<

Liar.

And nobody should forget that someone here actually DID THE TASK. That would not include the two posters above, which is why they're complaining.

>>Liar.<<

It's called sarcasm, dude. If that's below you as well, then I guess you must be high.
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>>That would not include the two posters above, which is why they're complaining.<<

Why would I complain because of that if I admitted I can't do it? I don't care that I can't. If I cared, it would be that I can't do worthwhile things in my dreams, rather than talk to a woman some guy on a forum made up.

Please stop wasting your time, everyone.

According to arne,

"You can't "control your dreams."

You can control your own behavoir in an LD, but no more than you can control it while you're awake, and usually even less than that."

Sorry for the double post.

This guy is pretty funny

Why doesn't he respond to my questions?

Okay, arne. It is obvious you have almost no idea about lucid dreams or what they are, nor do you respect this forum in the slightest. I know you don't like when people bring up things you've said, but I'm going to do just that.

You accuse most of the people in this forum of not even having lucid dreams.
">>By the way, I've never had a good lucid dream, and I admit it.<<

That's true of most people here, except that they don't admit it. "

That's saying more than 50% of this forum is here just to lie about lucid dreaming. We're not all here to BS each other that we have lucid dreams. We're here to work together to learn about lucid dreaming and advance ourselves. You, however, stroll in and give us a task, to test if we're lying.

Not that you're justified in the slightest, because you don't understand lucid dreams at all.

"You can't "control your dreams."

You can control your own behavoir in an LD, but no more than you can control it while you're awake, and usually even less than that."

The definition of a lucid dream is being aware that you're dreaming, but almost everyone who lucid dreams can control their dream well outside of their body. Unless they're new to controlling their dream world, it's almost a given. It's obvious that you haven't considered the dreams of others, because in most lucid dreams, the dreamer exerts control on their dream world.

Nor do you even know about lucid dream induction methods other than your random DILDs.

"Probably not, because LDs don't last long enough for you to give very much of a talk, and they occur too unpredictably.

Also it tends to be hard to remember something like a speech when you have an LD."

LDs can be inducted by many methods such as WILD or WBTB, and those are certainly not unpredictable. Lucid dreams can often last for very long amounts of time. Half an hour is not too much of a stretch.

"Men just tend to be bigger liars about it. If a young male has a screen name like "Lucid Master," he's probably never had an LD.

And people who say that LDs are all fun are lying too. LDs are just as apt to be unpleasant as ordinary dreams are."

A screen name like "Lucid Master" doesn't imply that the person who has it thinks they ARE a master of lucid dreaming. Unless they specifically claim to be a master, it's just a name. It's like calling oneself "NightLord". It doesn't imply that the person honestly thinks they are a lord of night.

Lastly, lucid dreams CAN be unpleasant, but anyone who knows how to handle lucid dreams well can turn them into pleasant experiences.

So someone with almost no real lucid dreaming experience can supposedly test if people lie about LDs? I think not.

I rest my case. If anyone wants to take arne seriously anymore, please, don't let me know. Don't expect him to answer your questions. He has no answers.

-Pojmaster

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And nobody should forget that someone here actually DID THE TASK. That would not include the two posters above, which is why they're complaining.

How was I complaining? I was simply trying to ask questions, in fact I stated that I will try the task.


You have never had a lucid dream in your life so how do you expect to be able to test to see if ours are real?

Your test has a few faults in it you see here: a person could come along and write a affirmation which they could repeat to them self during the day. They could write down and repeat "I will dream of seeing Cynthia and I will ask her what Minarez means". If they repeat that to them self enough they will have a dream during the night where they see Cynthia and she tells them what Minarez means. As I said, this is just a dream, they have not been lucid at any stage during the dream.

Your test just failed..

Being lucid in the dream would probably give you the same results as you are leaving what Minarez means to the dream to decide. Being lucid in this dream would not affect what the results of what Cynthia says unless you control the dream and make her say what ever you want her to, which would mean everyone doing the test could easily get completely different results. Once again you cannot test this to see if it is a lucid dream.

You don't seem to have enough understanding of lucid dreams to be able to put forth your ideas. I suggest that you stop wasting people's time on this forum, you are only doing it because you have to experiences of lucid dreams to discuss with anyone on the forum which makes you a VERY boring person here.

If I was unable to lucid dream I suppose that I would too waste all of my useless time here testing people to see if it was possible for them to do it, but your test doesn't work properly so maybe you should just leave.

You have just had an epic fail.

Please, try to ignore all of the points I have made this time.
I'd invite you to reply but it seems when ever you do you skip the main things I say so don't bother.

Why don't you just DO THE TASK?

.....are you actually serious?
Maybe ( I don't know, maybe I imagined it) but just maybe because you had a hissy fit and told everyone it was ruined? And then refused to answer my question because you had no good answer?

I asked you for a reason.
& now I know, of course, that you were lying out of anger/spite at having the control taken out of your hands, since apparently now according to you, I can still do the task.

Thanks for proving everyone here right~~
That's all I wanted, lmao.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Let me put you to the test. Just PM me and I'll give you a task to carry out. if you can do it, then you're a truth teller. If you can't, then you're a fibber.

I warn you though that you won't be able to fool me.

If someone is telling fibs about lucid dreaming, then that is there lost.

I assume anyone who is lieing about having lucid dreams, is having trouble getting them in the first place. Which i feel bad for them in fact.

But putting effort into lieing about having lucid dreams, will only prevent you even more from having them

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

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Originally Posted by TheMoon

If someone is telling fibs about lucid dreaming, then that is there lost.

I assume anyone who is lieing about having lucid dreams, is having trouble getting them in the first place. Which i feel bad for them in fact.

Why? What are they getting out of lying? They're trying to impress people who they'll never lay eyes on.

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

>>Liar.<<

It's called sarcasm, dude. If that's below you as well, then I guess you must be high.
zing

>>That would not include the two posters above, which is why they're complaining.<<

Why would I complain because of that if I admitted I can't do it? I don't care that I can't. If I cared, it would be that I can't do worthwhile things in my dreams, rather than talk to a woman some guy on a forum made up.

How can you "control your dreams" when you don't have LDs in the first place?

Just do the task or admit that you don't have them.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

How can you "control your dreams" when you don't have LDs in the first place?

Just do the task or admit that you don't have them.

Yep, troll.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

Okay, I've had my fun.

Anyone who still wants to participate in Arne's experiment is free to do so, just not in here, because all that's happening right now is an endless argument.

I'll also split the Nightmare conversation, because it's very interesting and others might want to join in.