Thread: How can a natural avoid becoming lucid every night?

It most likely wouldn't work for you because you don't believe it does. Although, it is kind of like lucid dreaming. Trying to explain it to someone who has never experienced it is like trying to explain to a blind man the difference between red and purple. Even if the hypnosis itself doesn't work, it could easily be a good relaxation technique. If you would like to try it yourself, have your friend lay down and say " You are inside of a very tall building. There are 200 steps down. You go down to the first step. You are now on step 200. Now you are on step 199. Now you are on step 198..etc. " say it slowly, and in an almost emotionless voice ( deeper voices tend to work better ). No matter the results of the actual hypnosis, most people fall asleep by around step 70. Maybe your friend could fall into a deep enough sleep as to not have any control.
When I said it wouldn't work for you: I meant The moon, not you sylunea

You may have just given me an answer. The pills you are taking, do you know what's in them? There are quite a few vitamins and supplements that will actually make you lucid dream, especially for somebody who LD's as naturally as you.

Originally Posted by oniman7

You may have just given me an answer. The pills you are taking, do you know what's in them? There are quite a few vitamins and supplements that will actually make you lucid dream, especially for somebody who LD's as naturally as you.

She has not always been taken pills im sure...

Originally Posted by TheMoon

She has not always been taken pills im sure...

"I also live with pain daily from other difficulties. So I have the pill department covered" sounds to me like something that would suggest she has been taking pills for a while, but I would like to hear it from her. Also, I am just trying to find some reason why this would happen.

Originally Posted by Sylunea

I'm wondering if the trouble with my dreams could be the need to at least control completely some part of my life?
~Syl

This could also be it. It could be sort of a coping mechanism in your subconscious either trying to find a way to gain some control, or maybe to relax. Again, I wouldn't go off of any of these suggestions too seriously because I am just trying to find the roots of the problem right now. If we can identify a problem, I'm sure we can help fix it afterwards.

Originally Posted by oniman7

You may have just given me an answer. The pills you are taking, do you know what's in them? There are quite a few vitamins and supplements that will actually make you lucid dream, especially for somebody who LD's as naturally as you.

Right now it's just your basic Vicodin and anti-inflammatory (prescription Motrin). Garlic and Ginseng,and I'm a faithful believer in green tea, lol.
Also some... *whispers* stool softeners because of a lower intestine surgery.
That's it, I'm not a big chemical fanatic. I'm a country girl, so I do my own cooking, gardening, canning. No preservatives or addatives in my foods. I do drink coffee and I'll have a Pepsi when I won't get caught drinking it... Which isn't very often. my boys try to take care of me when I'll let 'em. lol.

Well, a lot of fruits and vegetables have a large amount of vitamins that can cause lucid dreaming. Do you eat a lot of chocolate? I've heard that can effect dreaming. Also, the green tea might be influencing something, along with the ginseng. It's more natural stuff that can cause lucid dreams. How about vitamins in pill form? do you take those?

Originally Posted by oniman7

Well, a lot of fruits and vegetables have a large amount of vitamins that can cause lucid dreaming. Do you eat a lot of chocolate? I've heard that can effect dreaming. Also, the green tea might be influencing something, along with the ginseng. It's more natural stuff that can cause lucid dreams. How about vitamins in pill form? do you take those?

I didn't know about the vitamins. I do eat oranges, bananas, grapes. Big fan of broccoli, legumes, most vegetables.
I'm not the biggest fan of chocolate, so I don't eat it very often. I do fix things like peach cobbler, apple fritters, pumpkin rolls. Things like that.

I don't take vitamins in pill form, just eat the foods. except for the Ginseng and garlic.

I think the answer there could be the oranges, bananas and legumes. I believe that bananas and legumes both have a lot of the vitamin B6 ( correct me if I am wrong about which vitamin ) and the oranges have a high amount of vitamin C, which some people say aids in lucid dreaming. I would say to try and stay away from these for a while, but I don't know how your body would deal with that due to how much antioxidants you have been taking in.

By the way, welcome to the community and I hope you'll see. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or most other members here and they'll be glad to help. Also, you can post threads on any forums and you should get plenty of replies.

People you can trust: Me, Seeker28, Shift, Ninja9578 ( I think that's it ) Dizko, anonymoose, TheMoon ( of course )

People you should probably stay away from for right now: arne saknussemm, not sure about Tarsier; he/she tends to be a little rude. The Cusp has the same general issue as Tarsier from what I've seen even on this thread ( sorry if any of that seemed biased ).

Other than those notable exceptions, most people here are trustworthy and willing to invest their time to help you.

Originally Posted by oniman7

I think the answer there could be the oranges, bananas and legumes. I believe that bananas and legumes both have a lot of the vitamin B6 ( correct me if I am wrong about which vitamin ) and the oranges have a high amount of vitamin C, which some people say aids in lucid dreaming. I would say to try and stay away from these for a while, but I don't know how your body would deal with that due to how much antioxidants you have been taking in.

Ahh, okay. I'll stay away from them. I'll go back to the potassium pills, and leave off of the beans and fruits for a while, to see if it helps at all.
Thanks so much for the suggestion, and I'll let you know if it works.

If anything, I would stay away from the potassium pills. I am not an expert in this, but I know bananas have a large amount of potassium and are known to help lucid dreaming, so I would stay off them none the less.

Also, I wouldn't stop all at once, that could damage your immune system. Slowly wean off of anything I have listed and see if it helps.

Originally Posted by oniman7

By the way, welcome to the community and I hope you'll see. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or most other members here and they'll be glad to help. Also, you can post threads on any forums and you should get plenty of replies.

People you can trust: Me, Seeker28, Shift, Ninja9578 ( I think that's it ) Dizko, anonymoose, TheMoon ( of course )

People you should probably stay away from for right now: arne saknussemm, not sure about Tarsier; he/she tends to be a little rude. The Cusp has the same general issue as Tarsier from what I've seen even on this thread ( sorry if any of that seemed biased ).

Other than those notable exceptions, most people here are trustworthy and willing to invest their time to help you.

Aw, well, I seem to have more faith in the DV community than you but, I appreciate the love

Oni is right though, if you've got any questions about lucid dreaming I'll do my best to answer them for ya. Welcome to DV at any rate.

If you're on so many medications, presumably you've got a doctor? Have you tried speaking to them about this problem?

No problem Shift, but I tell it as I see it. You have been trustworthy, so I would go to you if I had a question. I probably wouldn't go to Tarsier or the Cusp, simply because I've had bad experiences with them. Also, I like the quote at the bottom of your signature. That basically sums up how Hitler got the entire country to follow him. It was not one man, but an entire country. Sorry if that was too far off topic

Originally Posted by oniman7

No problem Shift, but I tell it as I see it. You have been trustworthy, so I would go to you if I had a question. I probably wouldn't go to Tarsier or the Cusp, simply because I've had bad experiences with them. Also, I like the quote at the bottom of your signature. That basically sums up how Hitler got the entire country to follow him. It was not one man, but an entire country. Sorry if that was too far off topic

Ah well to avoid thread hijacking I shall leave you with a grateful until I have something more to contribute to Syulunea

Originally Posted by oniman7

By the way, welcome to the community and I hope you'll see. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or most other members here and they'll be glad to help. Also, you can post threads on any forums and you should get plenty of replies.

People you can trust: Me, Seeker28, Shift, Ninja9578 ( I think that's it ) Dizko, anonymoose, TheMoon ( of course )

People you should probably stay away from for right now: arne saknussemm, not sure about Tarsier; he/she tends to be a little rude. The Cusp has the same general issue as Tarsier from what I've seen even on this thread ( sorry if any of that seemed biased ).

Other than those notable exceptions, most people here are trustworthy and willing to invest their time to help you.

Thank you for the welcome, and for the help! I didn't mind The Cusp's post. He/she has every right say what they did. I appreciate those comments posted defending my situation. Arne on the other hand... just kinda freaked me out lol.
I'll do my best to make decent contributions, and learn more about lucid dreaming.

If anything, I would stay away from the potassium pills. I am not an expert in this, but I know bananas have a large amount of potassium and are known to help lucid dreaming, so I would stay off them none the less.

Okay, I'll do that. I'll need to talk to my doc about leaving off of the potassium. ( Something to do with the lower intestine surgery and the deficiency of potassium could cause the problem to happen again.)

My dreams haven't really changed as my diet has changed, so I didn't think about that.

Aw, well, I seem to have more faith in the DV community than you but, I appreciate the love

Oni is right though, if you've got any questions about lucid dreaming I'll do my best to answer them for ya. Welcome to DV at any rate.

If you're on so many medications, presumably you've got a doctor? Have you tried speaking to them about this problem?

Hi Shift! Thanks for the welcome and the help!
I brought the subject up to my doctor a few weeks ago, but he couldn't quite get his head around the fact that I "wake up" in my dreams every night, and I have since I was a child. He told me to make an appointment with the psychiatrist on staff at the hospital. Having my doc look at me like I'm is always fun!

Originally Posted by Sylunea

Hi Shift! Thanks for the welcome and the help!
I brought the subject up to my doctor a few weeks ago, but he couldn't quite get his head around the fact that I "wake up" in my dreams every night, and I have since I was a child. He told me to make an appointment with the psychiatrist on staff at the hospital. Having my doc look at me like I'm is always fun!

Ah, yeah. I mentioned it to my psychology professor and SHE thought I was nuts. Not that it exists- but that it is what I said it was. She doesn't seem to realize the real-time aspect of it and thinks it's all memories. I tried to explain it and got blank stares And I had such faith in cognitive psychologist like herself It is hard to find people who believe it and harder to find those who do it. Couldn't hurt to at least try to doctors and see if any of them are familiar with lucid dreaming *shrug* you never know, maybe one of them is even a natural?

Originally Posted by Sylunea

Okay, I'll do that. I'll need to talk to my doc about leaving off of the potassium. ( Something to do with the lower intestine surgery and the deficiency of potassium could cause the problem to happen again.)

Oh, I didn't know you were taking the pills as of this moment. If they are necessary, by no means should you stop taking them. The way you said it made it sound like it was just a supplement you took. You'd think that having a medical degree, the doctor would know what lucid dreaming is....

Originally Posted by Shift

Ah well to avoid thread hijacking I shall leave you with a grateful until I have something more to contribute to Syulunea

It's too late Shift

Originally Posted by Shift

Ah, yeah. I mentioned it to my psychology professor and SHE thought I was nuts. Not that it exists- but that it is what I said it was. She doesn't seem to realize the real-time aspect of it and thinks it's all memories. I tried to explain it and got blank stares And I had such faith in cognitive psychologist like herself It is hard to find people who believe it and harder to find those who do it. Couldn't hurt to at least try to doctors and see if any of them are familiar with lucid dreaming *shrug* you never know, maybe one of them is even a natural?

sorry to hear that she was so closed minded about it. There are no lucid dreamers in my family, but they take it in stride. On the other hand, there are those I go to classes with or my prof's. (Theology professor) who would like nothing more than to forget the fact that I mentioned that I have lucid dreames.

Oh, I didn't know you were taking the pills as of this moment. If they are necessary, by no means should you stop taking them. The way you said it made it sound like it was just a supplement you took.

I quit taking the pills a while back because I couldn't afford them, buying bananas was much cheaper. But like you said, I do believe they also contain another/more vitamins than just potassium.

You'd think that having a medical degree, the doctor would know what lucid dreaming is....

Ain't that the truth!?

If it doesn't work within 2-3 weeks, I would go back to your old diet. No sense denying yourself those nutrients if it's not for a good reason.

Originally Posted by oniman7

If it doesn't work within 2-3 weeks, I would go back to your old diet. No sense denying yourself those nutrients if it's not for a good reason.

Thanks for all the help. I'll do that, and I'll let you know if it makes a difference.

Sylunea

I wouldn't give up any of those fruits and veggies. They seem to have minimal effect on lucid dreaming (they're pretty much fully digested before you ever start dreaming, even if you eat right before bed), and the effects from, say, B6, seem to only be really significant in intermittent doses... lucidity wise, I don't that you're daily B6 is causing anything.

The health benefits from your diet far outweigh any effects they're having on your dreams.