Thread: How can a natural avoid becoming lucid every night?

My friend has a problem.

Every night she goes to sleep, she wakes up in here dreams and becomes aware of them, and it becomes a lucid dream...

This happens to her every night of the week. So i guess you can call her a natural born lucid dreamer.

However from what she has told me. Its not as restful as it is to get normal sleep.

She has trouble going to sleep, and sleeping normal sleep because everynight she wakes up in her dreams.

Would anyone know anyways to help prevent her from becoming lucid every night?

I know some of you guys here are natural lucid dreams who lucid dream every night. Any suggestions i can give my friend to help her sleep normal sleep as well?

*double post, forgive me *

This ain't a joke, i'm really serious.

Any advice could be helpful, feel free to post.

Just try not to be negitive.

Maybe your friend should go with the flow, you know? When she realizes that she is dreaming, she could try to just forget about it.

If resolving to have lucid dreams may work for us mere mortals who struggle to have them, resolving not to have a lucid dream before falling asleep might help your friend.
If that doesn't work, deliberately distracting herself in her LD might actually work.

That, or she could transfer some of her LDs on my Lucid Dream savings account. I'd be happy

It is odd that this is far from the first time I'm read something like this. First off It is something to be treasured and not just a problem, and anyway there is nothing much she could do besides go with the flow and try to kind of lose as much conscious awareness as she can, she should try to get distracted and not think internally with words I would suggest, and focus on the dream and get lost in it.

I think I'd need more info on her to really make a judgment to what the problem is. The bottem line is: being aware that you are dreaming does not create a less restful sleep. It is generally a byproduct of lucidity that will create restless sleep such as having an excessively active mind or processing powerful emotions or even perhaps triggering adrenalin rushes...

Overall, I encourage her to take a passive role in her dreams. What i've seen happen with most naturals is they tend to let the story play itself out or perhaps even (through easing your awareness) enter a semi-lucid state. I'd personally reccomend exploring this path to her.

*whacks self*

Originally Posted by Atrox

If resolving to have lucid dreams may work for us mere mortals who struggle to have them, resolving not to have a lucid dream before falling asleep might help your friend.
If that doesn't work, deliberately distracting herself in her LD might actually work.

That, or she could transfer some of her LDs on my Lucid Dream savings account. I'd be happy

Oops. I attributed that quote wrong, I should've referred to Atrox's reply.

When he talked about "resolving not to have a lucid dream", I think of what helps me to lucid dream. I repeat amntras that encourage it, pray that I might have a meaningful dream, or meditate on the possibility that lucidity may be meaningful.

It just a way of making that mindset more possible, to encourage a desired end.

If your friend believes that she will always be lucid, and therefore lose sleep...perhaps mind-over-matter is preventing her from doing the opposite. By using the same mind-over-matter principle, maybe she could encourage herself to believe she can get restful sleep, and therefore make it a reality.

Just an idea. Sorry about the confusion.

Yes, it has been stated many natural or developed Lucid dreamers meditate and use their lucidity to develop themselves and become a better or broader person.
As said before she could take a passive role and watch her mind work and relax watching. She is as you say in full control.
Lastly, I have always felt energised after lucidity and so happy. It is strange she feels drained.
We dont dream all night so she should have the same time as us in non-REM sleep to rest.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Lastly, I have always felt energised after lucidity and so happy. It is strange she feels drained.
We dont dream all night so she should have the same time as us in non-REM sleep to rest.

That depends on what happens in the dream. Something happened to me once in an LD that left me wiped out and staggering around for a day and a half.

[QUOTE=Ghost94;959616]Maybe your friend should go with the flow

Well said Mad Stratter

Originally Posted by oniman7

might seem a little far fetched... but hypnosis would work if it came from somebody experienced. For all the skeptics out there, hypnosis is more like forced placebo. You have to believe it will work, but then it does. I have heard that the hypnotist will tell you something like " When you fall asleep at night, you will see a button. Press that button and you will enter a lucid dream. ". Possibly something like that, but press the button NOT to have a lucid dream...? Also, you could hypnotize her just not to lucid dream at all.

Originally Posted by Mad Stratter

I've never been hypnotized, because I was admittedly very skeptical when I was ignorant about it's nature.

Now that I've come to understand the kinda of "forced placebo" nature of it, I've started to think that many it could be useful.

I second the hypnosis suggestion

Thanks for the support, and I hope that people ( especially The Moon ) will read this and take it to heart. It is one of the hardest to achieve, but also the most effective if done right. It works on a subconscious level, and it is hard to do that otherwise.

Originally Posted by oniman7

Thanks for the support, and I hope that people ( especially The Moon ) will read this and take it to heart. It is one of the hardest to achieve, but also the most effective if done right. It works on a subconscious level, and it is hard to do that otherwise.

id honestly like to believe it works, but i've never had it done to me before so who knows heh...

Hello all *waves shyly* I'm the one TheMoon has posted about.
I'm new to the forum scene... any forum, and quite... shy. So I'll do my best to reply to your statements and inquiries. And, I'd like to thank all of you for your help.
TheMoon is the only person I have had an actual conversation with about my dreams. So it feels kinda odd doing this, I hope you'll bear with me. I apologize in advance for my lack of knowledge in this area.

I didn't mean to complain about my dreams, to the contrary, we were just discussing the topic, and I happened to mention that I would love just to be able to lay down and go to sleep and have the darkness envelope me for a good 8 hours more than once a week, instead of waking up in my dreams all night long.
I "wake up" in my dreams, or enter them, knowing that I'm dreaming. I've tried so many different things, before sleep, and inside the dreams; to get myself out of them, or to keep from having them period. I've actually went to bed in my dream, only to dream inside the dream. Like a false awakening. I've chanted mantras, and tried meditation. Believing that I would not wake up in my dreams.
The last year or so has been the worst. I will wake up just as tired as I was when I went to bed. Mentally. My body feels refreshed, but my mind is sluggish, like I need to lay back down for a few hours. I haven't really had a regular sleep schedule, ever, but it was never really a problem. Exercise is another thing. I lead a pretty active life, cleaning, gardening, walking to classes, taking care of my nephews, and doing what's necessary to survive in the world.
Earlier this year I was in a car accident... (got hit by a beer truck... talk about irony.) It tore me up pretty good. I also live with pain daily from other difficulties. So I have the pill department covered. I still wake up in my dreams... unless I'm drinking with my vicodin... then I just pass out, and don't remember my dreams, lol. I've also tried the Tylenol pm/antihistamine suggestion.. same result.
Gosh, I feel like I'm writing a very boring book *sheepish grin*.
I like the idea of hypnotism. I haven't tried that, but I would be willing to look into it.

I love my lucid dreams. I love dreaming, period. (minus my Nightmare). I don't want to stop completely, but I would love to actually sleep and wake up refreshed and happy. I was wondering if this could perhaps be a control issue... Not a dream control issue, but ... gosh don't know how to phrase it. Sometimes I feel as if everything is slipping out of my grasp. Like I'm always one step ahead of complete disaster, and if I make one little mistake, it will all come crashing down around me. My nephews are my world. I adopted them almost two years ago, but I've been taking care of them their entire lives. I'm wondering if the trouble with my dreams could be the need to at least control completely some part of my life?

gosh! I'm so sorry for writing so much! Thanks for putting up with my ramblings. Sometimes it's hard to get myself to hush.
Thanks so much everyone.

~Syl

Have her e-mail me. I've got some useful things she can do in all those LDs.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Have her e-mail me. I've got some useful things she can do in all those LDs.

Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right?

Tell her to take sleeping pills or antihistamines. Those will kill her consciousness during sleep. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Gez

Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right?

Uh, no. There are people like this.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Tell her to take sleeping pills or antihistamines. Those will kill her consciousness during sleep. Problem solved.

I wouldn't recommend seeking a solution through chemistry. Solving it without popping pills is always better in the end.

Originally Posted by arby

Uh, no. There are people like this.

He was just taking a jab at Arne. It was sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Gez

Whats the point, shes probably lying anyway right?

It would be very easy for her to demonstrate that she's telling the truth. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that everybody is telling the truth until they show me they're not. And again, why waste all that lucid dreaming time? I have plenty for her to do that's very useful.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

It would be very easy for her to demonstrate that she's telling the truth. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that everybody is telling the truth until they show me they're not. And again, why waste all that lucid dreaming time? I have plenty for her to do that's very useful.

You don't get it, do you? She doesn't want to lucid dream every night because it's tiring. As TheMoon just explained, it might seem like a waste to you, but to her it's not.

Let me fix what you said, "I have plenty for her to do that's very useful... for me."

What's her exercise regimen like? If it's low, it may help if she increased her physical activity; more exercise tends to make you sleep much more soundly.

Also, perhaps meditation every night before bed might work? Not meditation on a particular mantra, necessarily, as acatalephobic suggested out of... somewhere... but just plain old meditation to clear her mind. If she were to just sit and clear her mind, letting all thoughts pass by until there were few, if any, left (however long that took, 20 minutes, half an hour, an hour or more...) there may not be much left for her to dream about floating around in her subconscious.

If all else fails, drugs may help... but drugs should be a last resort. If drug tests aren't an issue, I'd recommend taking a hit or two off a doobie before bed as a first course of chemical treatment; marijuana (it's medicine and it's natural) would have the fewest side effects, and seems to nearly eliminate dreaming in many people (assuming she doesn't smoke already, that is...)

Valerian and/or chamomile tea might help; both are natural and relaxing, and for myself atleast, do not increase lucid dreaming. Some people say that valerian increases LDs for them though, so this may not work.

It might help if she could provide us with a list of ideas she has already tried that have failed.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

It would be very easy for her to demonstrate that she's telling the truth. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that everybody is telling the truth until they show me they're not. And again, why waste all that lucid dreaming time? I have plenty for her to do that's very useful.

Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life.

I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.

She has slept normal sleep once in a while. But normal she wakes up and becomes lucid. Then she has to participate in her lucid dreams.

Overall, I encourage her to take a passive role in her dreams. What i've seen happen with most naturals is they tend to let the story play itself out or perhaps even (through easing your awareness) enter a semi-lucid state. I'd personally reccomend exploring this path to her.

Im going to tell her about this.

So rather then her trying to do anything, just let the dream happen.

I don't know if this will help her or not however. But i will let her know, and let you know.

>>Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life.
I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.<<

I'll tell you what. Have her do my task. The next time she has an LD, have her shout out as loudly as she can, "Cynthia Gonzalez, what is Minarez?'' (Minarez is pronounced min-ARE-ez.)

PM me the answer that comes back to her, and we'll see what can be done from there.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Have her e-mail me. I've got some useful things she can do in all those LDs.

Useful for YOU and your little dream-cult.

Not useful in the sense that it will help her in anyway

To the original poster, don't waste your time with this nutjob. If you need to see why, just check out some of his old threads and posts. There's a relatively new one that was closed a few days ago floating around here somewhere...