a possible way into SP, need help figuring out the rest

[pond weed]

hello i talked about this in somone elses thread but i think it deserves its own thread. on my first night on trying to LD i had a full SP but snapped out of it as i didnt know what it was. now every night i often feel myself slipping back into it but can never get there. i know what to do with the body, keep absolutly still, resist the urge to roll over and keep eye movment still. but i find that JUST focusing on the body realy doesnt help and i often start to daydream, after a while of daydreaming i remember what im trying to do and snap out of the day dream and back to the body and get a funny rush of the nerves (like a tingly sensation) and my heart beat increases. this seems like the brain has started to release the liquid which paralyses the spine, but i snap back to reality to soon. so the solution is to daydream (like we do every night to get to sleep), BUT not to daydream into a full dream, but return from the daydream just after the body has been paralysed. i often return from the daydream to early. the question; can you guys think of a certain way to day dream so as to make sure we return from/snap out of it at the right time -to early = body is not fully paralysed yet -to late = we fall into a deep sleep and start dreaming normaly OR if not day dreaming somthing else to think about for a 'controlled time'.because to JUST focus on the body makes us to concious of it and the brain wont release the paralysing solution.

[TheMoon]

hello i talked about this in somone elses thread but i think it deserves its own thread. on my first night on trying to LD i had a full SP but snapped out of it as i didnt know what it was. now every night i often feel myself slipping back into it but can never get there. i know what to do with the body, keep absolutly still, resist the urge to roll over and keep eye movment still. but i find that JUST focusing on the body realy doesnt help and i often start to daydream, after a while of daydreaming i remember what im trying to do and snap out of the day dream and back to the body and get a funny rush of the nerves (like a tingly sensation) and my heart beat increases. this seems like the brain has started to release the liquid which paralyses the spine, but i snap back to reality to soon. so the solution is to daydream (like we do every night to get to sleep), BUT not to daydream into a full dream, but return from the daydream just after the body has been paralysed. i often return from the daydream to early. the question; can you guys think of a certain way to day dream so as to make sure we return from/snap out of it at the right time -to early = body is not fully paralysed yet -to late = we fall into a deep sleep and start dreaming normaly OR if not day dreaming somthing else to think about for a 'controlled time'.because to JUST focus on the body makes us to concious of it and the brain wont release the paralysing solution. Don't stop being aware / conscious. In fact you want your "Day Dreams" to turn into full dreams, because as long as you stay aware, it will become a lucid dream.

[pond weed]

but i find that just laying there thinking about keeping my body still doesnt send me anywhere, i just end up laying there. so are you saying that i should day dream while staying aware at the same time, like a semi day dream, because i find that very hard. i can switch from day dream to being aware of body, back and forth. isnt the concept of a day dream to forget about the body and just imagine. maybe the term daydream has different meaning to different people. could you give an example of your day dream when your going to sleep. eg daydream while counting at the same time. it could be that im not tired enough, maybe i should spend more time 'prepairing' for sleep

[TheMoon]

but i find that just laying there thinking about keeping my body still doesnt send me anywhere, i just end up laying there. so are you saying that i should day dream while staying aware at the same time, like a semi day dream, because i find that very hard. i can switch from day dream to being aware of body, back and forth. isnt the concept of a day dream to forget about the body and just imagine. maybe the term daydream has different meaning to different people. could you give an example of your day dream when your going to sleep. eg daydream while counting at the same time. it could be that im not tired enough, maybe i should spend more time 'prepairing' for sleep Read this tutorial: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=42271 You want to maybe even not try to day dream unless you can stay aware. If you day dream then you can/will goto sleep. Normaly when i try to get my body to fall asleep, i sometimes do drift off and start "Day Dreaming" I find that this is a great way to get to SP quicker, but its so much harder to not fall asleep heh. As i start to day dream, i will get really into the day dream, its not to clear, But it feels like im starting to forget about my body sort of say. However what normaly wakes me up from my day dreaming, is a sudden "Sound" or "image" appearing in my head which wakes me from the day dream. I make sure to stay aware however and not let go completely, even when i'm day dreaming. The day dreaming also i find helps you forget about your body making you want to scratch your self all over, that's always fun lol Its really funny when your laying there and starting to forget about your body, and all the sudden you gotta scratch yourself. It to me feels like most of my body is almost not there, but theres this one itch, which seems like the most important part of my body at the time. Okay i think im talking too much now.... These are all just my personal experiences also btw. Don't read too much into them

[pond weed]

WHOOOOOHOOOOO, finaly iv found somone who knows exactly what im talking about. the whole thing about forgetting about the body. and the itching, GOD. when an itch comes it is quite a battle not to move. last night i had an itch on the back of me knee, but i resisted for about 15 mins and i started getting funny tingly sensations all down my leg and EVENTUALY the itch went away. HUZZAR, i won, but then i got an itch on my chin. so basicaly are you saying that the ultimate state of mind we need to be in to SP is to be in a light day dream but still clinging to conciousness somhow. ohhhh yes, what about daydreaming about a really cool lucid dream. eg saving private ryan you are on the boat and you realise you are lucid dreaming (ie CONCIOUS) and you can have fun daydreaming about the lucid dream of omaha beach (sorry to nag on about that film, its one of my favorite). bottom line im pretty sure that a day dream about lucid dreaming will A) keep you distracted from the body to let it shut down B)keep you concious enough to be able to come out the day dream before full sleep O, and another one (im thinking of these as i go along woohoo me) day dream about what ever but at the same time count down from 1 hundred. im pretty sure you can do these 2 easily at the same time because about a week ago i tried Just counting down from 100 while going to sleep and started to daydream while i was doing that and did both at the same time. and when you get to 0 from counting down, you will wake up out of the day dream, and if that was too short of a time for SP to activate, count down from 200 to sum up: while going to sleep, keep both body and eyes still, and daydream about your fantasy lucid dream while counting down from 100. woohoo. im so gonna try that tonight. thanks MOON. ill check out that thread you posted

[DreamQueen]

pond weed, IMO instead of daydreaming you may be better off clearing your mind. The problem with daydreaming is that you tend not to notice when your thoughts wander which is what starts to occur as you fall asleep. When you are concentrating on nothing except your breathing you have a greater chance of catching any stray, crazy thoughts that pop into your head. This makes it more likely you will stay conscious throughout the process of falling asleep and enter a LD. Check out this thread as it has a fantastic description of how to WILD by WolfeDreamer http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=70012

[John11]

Pond Weed, are you just trying to get into SP for the sake of getting in SP? If you are trying to get into SP for the sake of WILDing then you don't need to come back out of your light day dream state. I'd agree with most of what's been said here in this thread as I've noticed these things myself. I only seem to be able to get and stay in sleep paralysis if I've immersed myself in my day dream like visualizations enough that I don't notice the onset of SP for the most part. I've tried the method where I completely clear my mind, and in doing so I've felt the onset of sleep paralysis, but feeling it just makes me more aware and the sleep paralysis fades off. However, I've noticed that if I'm somewhat immersed in a day dream type state, then I just barely feel/hear the onset in my head (with the same kind of sound I get if I have a big yawn), or not at all.

[pond weed]

OK, last night i was laying in my bed, still and i started counting upwards from 0, this kept my mind clear of any daydreaming, for a while. i stareted to daydream lightly (i think i had stopped counting) and after a bit of daydreaming i snapped back to conciousness, i continued counting and eventualy i drifted into another daydream, this one was a bit longer and i snapped out of it as i started to feel wierd, a strange feeling of heaviness fell over my body, it was very distinct and very noticable, and i thoght woohoo. but i now had no idea if i was in sleep paralysis so i tried to move, and did, i was really anoyed with myself, as i think i was very nearly there, the feeling of heaviness setting over, i thought, was a sign of SP, maybe i had to wai longer. i decided to try again, just laying there, but somthing was wrong, i couldnt daydream. by now id figured that being able to lightly day dream helps A LOT with tricking the body into SP. but i couldnt day dream, my mind would just not wonder, it try to start it of, by thinking of my favorite film but a couple of seconds later i would just be thinking about the body. i lay there for an hour, not moving, quite anoyed with myself. and eventualy gave up and fell asleep. i had set the saltcube timer to wake me up at 5. i woke up at 4:30 after a dream had ended, recorded the dream in my dream journal, but after that again, i could not day dream, i had lost my ability to daydream, thus couldnt get to sleep to make the saltcube timer thing work. i am trying to get into sleep paralysis to get an OBE, fall into SP and leave the body just a couple of questions: 1)for sleep paralysis to work, is it simply a case of just focusing on the body, because i can do that easily. i just get the feeling that if im so aware of the body, i wont be able to trick into thinking im asleep. 2)is daydreaming better for tricking the body into SP, because if i start counting then start to daydream, after a little bit of daydreaming, i remember i was meant to be counting, and snap out of the daydream. thus not risking falling asleep altogether 3) have anyone of you ever lost you ability to daydream while in bed, could it have been because i was so anoyed that my first attempt of SP failed that i became frustrated, thus lost the ability to relax the mind and let it wonder. but my overall objective is to go from SP to OBE. thanks for the advice. WOOT

[dajo]

back to the body and get a funny rush of the nerves (like a tingly sensation) and my heart beat increases. this seems like the brain has started to release the liquid which paralyses the spine, but i snap back to reality to soon. That is exactly my problem. I can't help but realize it and that always pulls me back. Anyone know this tutorial? http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=r7_uSaly7l8

[pond weed]

yea, that tutorial is what im trying to do. the SP part of it. it says all you need to do is just lie in you bed and wait for the body to test if your awake. can anyone confirm that this is ALL one needs to do, just wait and the message to roll over WILL come?