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      Question Reality Checks

      Hi, I'm wondering if any experienced LDers can please help me with this...

      Last night during a nonlucid dream I found myself in a public toilet (dreamsign) and I performed the nose pinch test. I could breathe. I was very surprised by this and thought "hmmm, this means I'm dreaming. It's really hard to believe but that's what it means". I then looked around and thought "I suppose it does feel like it could be a dream". I looked at my hands and they both appeared 100% normal right down to the detail on my wedding rings. I then tried to push my arm through a wall but only felt the hardness and solidness of the wall.

      I think the dream must have ended at this point because I don't remember anything after that.

      I am going to have to stop looking at my hands or trying to put my arm through an object as part of my daily RCs. These checks have become completely useless. They used to work, but these days my dreams are so realistic and vivid that even when a RC fails (such as the nose pinch did) I have a hard job believing I'm dreaming.

      If anyone has any suggestions on a better "back-up RC" please let me know. The problem is that I don't feel confident enough to trust that I'm dreaming based on one RC (nose pinch). The whole point to being lucid is to do things you can't do in real life (eg jump off buildings, say certain things to your boss etc). I need to be 100% sure it's a dream before I go doing crazy things.

      So what RCs do you experienced LDers do as part of your daily reality checking? I just need ONE OTHER RC that is as reliable as the nose pinch test. Any suggestions?

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      Quote Originally Posted by DreamQueen View Post
      Hi, I'm wondering if any experienced LDers can please help me with this...

      Last night during a nonlucid dream I found myself in a public toilet (dreamsign) and I performed the nose pinch test. I could breathe. I was very surprised by this and thought "hmmm, this means I'm dreaming. It's really hard to believe but that's what it means". I then looked around and thought "I suppose it does feel like it could be a dream". I looked at my hands and they both appeared 100% normal right down to the detail on my wedding rings. I then tried to push my arm through a wall but only felt the hardness and solidness of the wall.

      I think the dream must have ended at this point because I don't remember anything after that.

      I am going to have to stop looking at my hands or trying to put my arm through an object as part of my daily RCs. These checks have become completely useless. They used to work, but these days my dreams are so realistic and vivid that even when a RC fails (such as the nose pinch did) I have a hard job believing I'm dreaming.

      If anyone has any suggestions on a better "back-up RC" please let me know. The problem is that I don't feel confident enough to trust that I'm dreaming based on one RC (nose pinch). The whole point to being lucid is to do things you can't do in real life (eg jump off buildings, say certain things to your boss etc). I need to be 100% sure it's a dream before I go doing crazy things.

      So what RCs do you experienced LDers do as part of your daily reality checking? I just need ONE OTHER RC that is as reliable as the nose pinch test. Any suggestions?

      TIA
      One that always works for me is the letter test. I look at any writing, look away then look back. If the letters have changed I know I'm in a dream. I know how you feel about some dreams being too real down to the point that they look and behave exactly like reality. That's why when I do my letter test I'm sometimes flabbergasted to realize,
      "this is a dream".

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      Thanks Lobster.

      I have seen text change in my dream and I've heard that people use this as a RC. But what do you find is the best way to get access to some text in your dream? If I make this my back-up RC I expect that I'll just spend the rest of the dream looking for some text.

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      Well, someone told me the more you LD, harder it is to do LD because it becomes more and more real.

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      Here Dreamqueen, I saved this to my computer when i was on a website a while back. Its alot of reality checks.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DreamingDragon View Post
      Well, someone told me the more you LD, harder it is to do LD because it becomes more and more real.
      This is true. My dreams are so real nowadays it's ridiculous. The other day something very weird happened IRL. I was round at a friend's house and I picked up a book. The author was a mutual friend of ours! I never knew he'd written a book. I then opened it and started reading the first page and it was about a character in a life threatening situation and suddenly the character suspects he's dreaming and pinches himself! I kept doing RCs like crazy but even though they were passing I wondered if I was actually dreaming because it was such a classic "dreamlike" occurence. The fact is, my dreams are no less real than RL and have fooled me before. It's very hard for me to tell the difference sometimes.

      Hey thanks everyone. I'm sure I'll figure something out from all the ideas you've suggested!
      Last edited by DreamQueen; 01-21-2009 at 07:58 AM.

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      Wow Shift, even though it WAS a lot of text that was a really good explanation though. I never realized that upon doing RC's I would often just perform them real quick and go on with life.

      Valuable info, thanks!

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      Quote Originally Posted by DreamQueen View Post
      Thanks Lobster.

      I have seen text change in my dream and I've heard that people use this as a RC. But what do you find is the best way to get access to some text in your dream? If I make this my back-up RC I expect that I'll just spend the rest of the dream looking for some text.
      For me text is always somewhere. Signs, license plates, anything lying around anywhere, the side of a bus, a can and there's usually something in the pocket. If you look around you right now I dare say that it would be hard for you not to find something with text on it.

      My primary RC is jumping. If I float down I know I'm in a dream. That never fails but then neither does the letter test.

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      The reality check that usually works for me is the one where you stick your finger through your hand.
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      No RC is reliable. Why? Because they all have the potential to fail. Personally, when I RC

      Spoiler for I go through this process and these questions::


      I realize that's a huge block of text and I apologize. But I felt no reason to retype those things I feel are so critical.

      So anyway, remember: A reality check isn't just a repetitive physical action. And also, when doing a reality check you should be seriously considering the fact that everything around you is not real. Push your finger into your hand with the expectation that it will come out the other side. Visualize this happening. Count your fingers expecting there to be extras, or look at your hands anticipating that they will be deformed.

      Reality checks are supposed to work simply based on these expectations. Apparently, the ones involving digital clocks work because of the actual state of your brain during the dream (I'm not sure this is true, but I have read many times that it's because of what parts of your mind are not active during dreams). So this one I feel is the most reliable if you're getting into the habit of reality checking. Also, I read someone's advice on here that has served me well, which was that when using text or a digital clock always look, look away, look, look away, look, look away at least three times. Sometimes they'll be stable, but when you get into this habit while expecting them to change you will usually be lucid by the third try.

      Anyway, you probably didn't need all that. To answer your question, I find pushing my finger into my palm, counting my fingers, and reading text or a digital clock are all physical reality checks that work very very well. Looking down at your body, pausing and asking yourself what you were just doing and where you are going and where you are and who is around you, asking yourself what you were doing earlier that morning, the date, if you remember waking up since you last went to sleep are all good mental reality checks. You get lucky with the physical, you always get results with the mental.

      Also make sure to read the REALITY CHECK TUTORIAL!
      Last edited by Shift; 03-29-2009 at 11:59 PM.

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