Thread: Help on WILD attempt - Conscious for 2 hours with no results

Yesterday I was once again trying WILD like I've been doing almost every night. I got very relaxed and in little time started feeling the mild spasms through my body.

Afterwards, I started feeling something that never happened in my previous attempt. My body started feeling very light, and my head felt like a complete different organ. It almost felt as if I was leaving my body, but I don't think it was an Out Of Body Experience. Afterwards I realized that I couldn't really feel much of my body or hands, but I kept concentrating on being conscious. I don't think I was near REM because I didn't see any swirl of colors, and because I didn't feel my body "jolting" as a result of sleep paralysis. After a long time with no further results I changed positions in bed and realized I had been laying there for 2 hours. Any insights if that usually happens (the feeling of my body floating), or on what sleep stage I might have been on?

My biggest question regarding WILD is what happens on the transition from awake to dreaming. Do you only yawn in the transition from wake to deep sleep, or also in other stages of sleep? Will I ruin the whole WILD process if I try to move fingers or toes to check for sleep paralysis? If you're around deep sleep, are you able to open your eyes to see if you're dreaming already or should you be able to see all images with your eyes closed? Will you completely wake up and ruin everything if you try to open your eyes?

Sorry for all the questions. I could only find explanations on what happens right before the dream, but I have yet to get that far.

Originally posted by tyrantt23+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tyrantt23)</div>

After a long time with no further results I changed positions in bed and realized I had been laying there for 2 hours. Any insights if that usually happens (the feeling of my body floating), or on what sleep stage I might have been on?[/b]

I've had that happen to me as well. I seems that during that time, I had fallen asleep and didn't remember it. In fact, that happened to me quite a bit while learning WILD

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My biggest question regarding WILD is what happens on the transition from awake to dreaming.

In my case, it is quite noticible. I will begin by feeling vibrations that seem to shake my entire body. They can become quite strong at points. As these subside, I begin to experience a sinking sensation, like I am lightly floating to the ground.

When the sinking sensation has stopped, I am in the LD. Sometimes, I will have my eyes closed and worry what will happen when I open them, but in every case, it is just my dream eyes and when I open them, I open them into the dream.

Yesterday night I had the same floating sensation that I felt the night before. This time the sensation lasted for longer, since I was conscious for longer as well. What I found interesting though, is that although I mostly don't feel much of my body, I still seem to be able to hear everything around me. I live in dorms, so every few minutes I can hear some drunken slob yelling outside, or my roomates closing the door, etc. Sometimes they sound strange though, could that be because I'm getting close to a dream?

Thanks for helping again Seeker. If I win any lucid dreaming awards or prizes in the future I'll make sure to mention your name. Ehh, its Seeker, right?

I know what you mean about the sounds. Last night I was trying to WILD for the second time (haven't been able to get into SP fully yet, but for two fairly stupid reasons that I dont feel like explaining now ).. anyway last night though, I was much closer, but there was a point, where the ticking of the clock in my room changed drastically every time. It would change pitches, speed, and it would also sound as if it was coming from different places as well, haha once it was right beside my head, kinda freaked me out.

Cheers,
Dylan

Yesterday I was once again trying WILD like I've been doing almost every night. I got very relaxed and in little time started feeling the mild spasms through my body. [/b]

you're doing this at night? i recomment that you wake up after like 5 or 6 hours of sleep and then do it. if you do it at night its much more difficult and you'll spend a lot of time just trying to fall asleep.

hey tyrantt u sound the same as me lol!

Ive been doing WILDS like every nite because i find them soooo relaxing and give me great dreams. I ve started getting that sinking feeling as well and i feel my head leaving my body while still being consious of noises around me. 2 nites ago my body starting vibrating at times and it started to have slight twitches but I didnt get into a LD, instead i fell asleep and had an amazingly vivd dream

I've taken some advice from my adopter Turkeh by taking a break from trying to LD for about a week and last nite I didnt WILD for the first time in ages and I had a really long, vivid dream in which I can remember quite a lot. I woke up by my dad calling me but when i awoke I wasnt sure if i was in the dream still or not as I kinda fazed back into reality.

Anyhoo, try giving yourself a break from WILDS for a week and before you goto sleep just think "I WILL have a LD tonight and remember it when i awake" etc, then goto sleep.

I find trying WILD when you first go to sleep it just keeps me up longer, but do it after waking during the middle of the night it's like you're already halfway thru the process.

Seeker, so after you have the vibrations throughout your body, that means you're very close to dreaming?
I can get to that point but after a few minutes, or what I think is a few minutes, I always fall asleep.

The vibrations is your body entering sleep paralysis. When they subside, for me at least, I am in the dream. It is a tricky thing.

If you concentrate too much, they will stop and ou will be awake. If you do not concentrate enough, you will fall asleep non-lucidly.

I like to "play along" with the vibrations. Pretend I am flying through force fields or through windows. Each time a vibration occurs, I have broken through another.

Saturday morning, I was riding the vibrations which were in sync with a light in front of me. Just as they began to subside, my wife turned over in bed and *poof* that was the end of that WILD

The other night the vibrations had gotten more intense than it had before. I could feel vibrations starting at both of my feet and going up on both legs at the same speed. The same thing was happening on my arms, with vibrations going down to my hand.

As for visual, it was the first time I started seeing a white dot flying around, or a couple of white lines that kept moving around. During this part of the sleep, I had a few itches, but somehow my body was able to isolate them and I was able to ignore them. Anyone else had this happen to them?

Originally posted by Seeker+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Seeker)</div>

Saturday morning, I was riding the vibrations which were in sync with a light in front of me. *Just as they began to subside, my wife turned over in bed and *poof* that was the end of that WILD[/b]

I was hoping a small interference like that wouldn't mess up the whole WILD process. Later that ame night I decided to change positions in bed. Then I realized I not only wasn't paralyzed, but that the WILD was ruined.

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you're doing this at night? i recomment that you wake up after like 5 or 6 hours of sleep and then do it. if you do it at night its much more difficult and you'll spend a lot of time just trying to fall asleep.

I tried once with the WBTB and after drinking a little bit of coke and I ended up not being able to sleep again. I've just been trying every night because I've been finding it to be a very good relaxation method. The spasms feel like a free full body massage, and I just try to see how long I can stay awake.

I've never had any sucess at doing a WILD unless I slept at least 5 hours, I could do it in the middle of the day and get the most amazing HI, but never get sleep paralysis. I didn't know what it was and thought I was getting vibrations, but it was my imagination until I realized what vibrations were really like, like your entire world is being shaken, I love the sounds it's always so weird

Hmm. I can't manage WILD. I can manage to get almost complete paralysis, and detailed hypnagogic imagery, but when I open my eyes I just get eyes-open hypnagogic imagery. While it's quite interesting (I kinda wonder what's going on in my head) it doesn't help me much with LDing.

I haven't LDed in roughly a month. I'm getting desperate.

Originally posted by Simonster
Hmm. I can't manage WILD. I can manage to get almost complete paralysis, and detailed hypnagogic imagery, but when I open my eyes I just get eyes-open hypnagogic imagery. While it's quite interesting (I kinda wonder what's going on in my head) it doesn't help me much with LDing.

I haven't LDed in roughly a month. I'm getting desperate.

That happened to me until on accident I started moving around my hands in my mind when I was getting the vibrations and HI, say you can see your hands, imagine them moving around, when you can start moving around with your mind then try your arms, you will feel them try to move in real life just start swinging them then you will be completely in the dream, this is what works for me.

Awesome, I can get to the point where I feel myself moving, then get confused because I then feel myself laying in bed, but I dont ever see myself, only the HI. But once I can feel myself doing something other than sleeping then I should push myself into a dream right? Man Im so close I know, wish me luck.

What i do wrong when i try to WILD is that i analyze to much. Its like its hard to just float with, something ive realized i just have to do. I so to say just have to sit in the car watching what happens next instead of grasping to the steering wheel in every turn(Since in a dream its no bad thing to drive of the road... i guess). And as seeker said, if one floats with to much one wake up 8 hours later wondering what happend.

Another thing is that i tend to irritate myself over not going anywhere(+ the body starts to get restless) and turn over to my side and sleep, which is the stupidest thing to do! What i could do instead is just to lie there... and if i go nowhere, well then i take it as a looong meditation session. But i believe if i lie there long enough i will get somewhere anyway... or i will fall asleep. Wich is far better than to give up.

Yeah, about turning on your side or changing position. Does that have a big effect on how well your efforts will pay off. For me Im able to concentrate and keep aware best while lying on my back but sometimes it does get so uncomfortable that I just have to turn over. But Ive also had some success with lying on my stomach as well so...Im not really sure if any position is better.

You can fall asleep sitting right? I have a very comfortable chair that Ive tried to self hypnosistize myself in and Ive gotten to where I kinda lose awareness of my body but have never actually fallen asleep sitting.

can anyone describe the vibrations more?
last night i tryed to WILD and after aprox 30min felt my body become heavy and so in my mind imagined my normal reality cheak of pushing my finger through my hand and visulised it happening at this point the visual became 100 times more realistic and i felt tingles up and down my body and a slight detachment from my body but freaked out and opened my eyes and sat there for 20min trying to calm down
were these tingles (similar to someone running there fingers down your back) the vibrations im ment to be expecting?

Yeah I think thats it, they should get even more intense too, but having vivid visualizations as well as vibrations I think you are getting close. I get different sensations all the time but sometimes it gets to feeling like Im being electrocuted, like very intense shaking.

Some SP, vibrations, can be fairly traumatic. When I get them it happens in my ears, but it isnt sound. As well, they most often happen when I havent planned them, resulting in my getting a fright-shock in the dark which is never fun. I've noticed, though, that when I'm in SP I can control the intensity of the SP vibration at will. Anyone else noticed this? It's like revving an engine of sorts. This is fun, but it would rule even more if I wasnt so spooked by not being able to move in a dark room while I'm hearing things talking to me from the shadows. Oh well.
I've gotten to the point where I lose conscious realization of the presence of my body, or rather, like I'm a separate entity in my body during WILD. I find this to be kinda cool, but it doesnt seem to always lean into LDs. Hypno-Imagery/Sound is quite common in my experience, but I find that the closer I pay attention to it the more trouble it has staying solid. If I hear someone talking, and then listen directly, the talking stops and I feel myself waking up again. Back to the drawing board.
As far as getting into WILD, the dream I had which drew me to this site was my first WILD, but I didnt realize that's what I had done until after I joined this site. I just lay there in bed, convincing myself that I was going to go somewhere, get a dream, etc. and BAM!, best dream/LD of my life. I've been hooked ever since. WILD to me seems the best, but you'll have to test to find if a WBTB conjunction with WILD works over WILD alone.

Originally posted by tyrantt23
Afterwards, I started feeling something that never happened in my previous attempt. My body started feeling very light, and my head felt like a complete different organ. It almost felt as if I was leaving my body, but I don't think it was an Out Of Body Experience. Afterwards I realized that I couldn't really feel much of my body or hands, but I kept concentrating on being conscious. I don't think I was near REM because I didn't see any swirl of colors, and because I didn't feel my body \"jolting\" as a result of sleep paralysis.

Exact same thing happened to me today while trying to take a nap, I felt like I was huge too.

I have the problem too where I'll lay there for a long time, and just get sick of it, or uncomfortable and just turn onto my side. I've noticed that when I'm actually trying to fall asleep it's harder for me than when it just sorta naturally happens from me laying on my side and just thinking about random stuff and then falling asleep.

I've had a couple of lucid dreams. One of my best ones occured when I had to get up for an 8 AM final. I got up at 7, went to take my final, got back around 10 or so and went back to sleep, and I had an amazing lucid dream without even trying. Another great one happened a couple nights ago when I got up at 7 to go snowboarding, but my friend called me and told me he felt sick so we weren't gonna go, and I went back to sleep an hour and a half later or so, and I once again just naturally had an amazing lucid dream. I hate the feeling at the end of the dream when you know you're gonna wake up in a sec.

I'll start a new topic if no one answers it in here, but I've had a problem where I can't seem to change the scene in my dream. I try the whole closing my eyes thing and then imagining being somewhere else, but when I open my eyes again i'm still in the same place. Any suggestions?

Originally posted by Staubsaugen
I'll start a new topic if no one answers it in here, but I've had a problem where I can't seem to change the scene in my dream. I try the whole closing my eyes thing and then imagining being somewhere else, but when I open my eyes again i'm still in the same place. Any suggestions?

Well, I have a large amount of sort-of-dreams(dreaming while awake) which I attain lucidity in, I have a problem changing the scene too, what I do is I just fly to wherever I want to go. While trying to go to sleep tonight I was sort-of-dreaming I was at my grandparent's house, so I flew to Wal-Mart(one thats about 30 minutes away, took me about a minute to get there, I forgot they got one in their town) and I got on those chopper bikes and I threw random things at people.

Originally posted by Shlumpeet
I got on those chopper bikes and I threw random things at people.

That's just hilarious. Just out of curiosity though... what were people's reactions?

Last night I got another strong sensation that I was pretty darn close to lucid dreaming. I woke up in the middle of the night feeling as if I was about to fall off the side of the bed. I quickly realized it was all a product of my imagination though, because along with the feeling of falling, there was a very loud and clear \"zoom zoom zoom\" sound that wouldn't be there under normal circumstances. I had to keep telling myself that I wasn't falling off the bed, even though it felt like I was slowly sliping to the side along with a feeling of sinking through my bed.

Everything was dark, and I don't remember any imageries. I then tried to levitate off the bed at which point I could feel as if I was touching the bed from my waist down, and levitating off the side of the bed from my waist up. By that time, the loud noises were starting to get a little annoying, and the feeling of falling off the bed started coming back. That is the last thing I remember.

Anyone has any idea of what I should do/think/focus on when something like that is happening?

Originally posted by Staubsaugen
I'll start a new topic if no one answers it in here, but I've had a problem where I can't seem to change the scene in my dream. I try the whole closing my eyes thing and then imagining being somewhere else, but when I open my eyes again i'm still in the same place. Any suggestions?

Like Shlumpeet mentioned, have you tried actually going to another scene instead of having the scene come to you? Instead of closing your eyes and imagining ten naked women surrounding you at zero gravity, how about just flying to a cabaret space station?