Thread: extended non-local conscience - spell rudiments.

Originally Posted by rommany

3 days is mild sleep depravation .
You will experience natural neuro-chemical shifts that facilitate the journey.

A journey? I'm a little confused.

Originally Posted by Licity

A journey? I'm a little confused.

A journey of your mind, exploring the different areas during sleep.
It's a fancy way of saying "It'll be different to normal"

You seem to get confused easily, try this..look at the technique as if it were any other technique.
Basically:
- No sleep makes you sleepy and trippy (normal things)
- Go into lucid dream by relaxing (your body will fall asleep from all the no sleep)
- Have fun in lucid dream with new experience because you have hallucinating from being sleep deprived and you'll be in a dream

Or just think of it like: Imagine getting drunk and having a lucid dream, (I'm assuming this would be the outcome) your dream would be a bit..different to normal..and dream control would also feel..quite different.

Originally Posted by benTENDO

I disagree. Rommany is suggesting you deprive yourself of sleep and use his technique to gain lucidity..Nothing beyond dreaming about this.
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I don't understand at all, why have you moved this then?

I don't know, much of what the author is describing seems like just a bizarre induction technique, but passages like the following make me wonder:

Originally Posted by rommany

non-local consciousness refers to a state of consciousness that is external to you physical locality, extended in this case refers to the duration of the experience

Not to mention referring to the whole affair as a "spell." These may just be instances of poor translation at work -- or maybe not. In any case I see both sides of the issue.

Originally Posted by benTENDO

I disagree. Rommany is suggesting you deprive yourself of sleep and use his technique to gain lucidity..Nothing beyond dreaming about this.

We consider WILDs a journey of the transition of wake to sleep, but we are unable to accept this the same?



I don't understand at all, why have you moved this then?



Sounds..not abnormal (for a lucid dream forum)

I was unsure about the move, thus why I waited for a second opinion. I do stand by the decision, though. The thread starter mentions this as being a spell rudiment as well as using various Tibetan/Hindu theologies to counter the problems you face. OBEs have also been discussed, (and were implied with the extended conciousness comment.) This is of course not invalidating. I don't mean that at all. Simply, the thread will do better in BD as it is founded on multiple BD principles.

I hope it can be discussed well, though.

Originally Posted by spockman

The thread starter mentions this as being a spell rudiment as well as using various Tibetan/Hindu theologies to counter the problems you face. OBEs have also been discussed, (and were implied with the extended conciousness comment.)

I'm not sure why they refered to it being a spell.. I would like to assume that the use of the word isn't what it seems, they could be referring to ending a dry spell or they might have just meant technique, not spell.

The use of Tibetan/Hindu theologies to counter the problems you face cannot be a reason to put this in beyond dreaming, doing that would be the same as going to any post talking about using meditation to control dreams and putting them in beyond dreaming.

I don't think OBEs were a part of discussion, they brought it up as a comparison.. The comments about extended consciousness were talking about normal dreams. The op seems to believe in dreams you have a different state of awareness and conscious thought, or at least that's what I got out of it.

I think you should take the original thread and place it back into attaining lucidity, but move the other comments to a discussion on something to do with "extended consciousness in dreams" and leave them in the beyond dreaming forum.

Originally Posted by spockman

I hope it can be discussed well, though.

You put it in beyond dreaming..when is anything discussed well here?

You put it in beyond dreaming..when is anything discussed well here?

Frequently, actually. Most of people in BD are here to legitimantly discuss the subject matter of beyond dreaming. The use of BD elements in the OP made it more likely that the threads topics wouldn't be fully explored in any other section.

All beyond dreaming means is that the topic relates to something that goes farther then just our minds. An extended conciousness-that relates to out of body experiences and the after-life by using lucid induction methods is certianly an interesting topic, but one that better belongs here.

At any rate, I feel poorly now as it seems this discussion has hi-jacked the thread a bit. And I would like the thread starter to be satisfied with the discussion on the actual thread.

my use of word spell, was unfortunate
it can be substituted with method.
My use of the, theological references, where more in describing
the archetypal content of the experience, not really implying
that anything "beyond dreaming" was occurring.
I do feel that the dream space is a form of non-local consciousness,
not unlike the other forms, that were mentioned.
hope that will clarify things.

In a final analysis with semantics and mysticism aside,
I would move this back to were it was originally posted.

I also feel this debate should be left as is, as it clearly raises some interesting view points and objections.

Perhaps then , i can explain why these apparently Bizarre steps are useful for priming the experience

Originally Posted by benTENDO

You put it in beyond dreaming..when is anything discussed well here?

I put it in here for a few days, and it turned out okay. No BD talk has transpired. No fights. Civil talk.

Rommany, thank you for the clarification, and I apologize for the confusion. This will be moved back to Attaining, and all posts will be left as is.

my use of word spell, was unfortunate
it can be substituted with method.
My use of the, theological references, where more in describing
the archetypal content of the experience, not really implying
that anything "beyond dreaming" was occurring.
I do feel that the dream space is a form of non-local consciousness,
not unlike the other forms, that were mentioned.
hope that will clarify things.

In a final analysis with semantics and mysticism aside,
I would move this back to were it was originally posted.

I also feel this debate should be left as is, as it clearly raises some interesting view points and objections.

Perhaps then , i can explain why these apparently Bizarre steps are useful for priming the experience

My apologies as well, I mis-interpreted what you meant, then. I thought that extended concioussness meant some higher level of reality or something and that the spell reference was calling this some ritual, possibly relating to Tibetan mysticysm. I see my mistake, and also hope to see your explanation on why this induction method would work.