Thread: Roll-over signal...

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

You've misunderstood me, and sorry if it seemed like i was being critical of you.

I completely agree that it it is a good idea not to move in these situations.
What i have a problem with is the idea that they are test signals from the body.
I think that part is incorrect.
I think staying still helps avoid needless movement that would increase your chances of staying awake. But i think that the sensations are simply discomfort, which is amplified by the fact that we are consciously aware of the process of falling asleep. It's like if you think about creepy crawly bugs crawling on your skin, that you are more likely to get itchy, because your attention is turned to it.

Same with yawning, if you think about it too much, you'll yawn... just that nice sensation of streching your mouth wide open, the air tumbling into your lungs, the refreshing strech of yawning... mmm, how nice it would be to just relax, let go and let all that air fill your lungs. Yawning yet?

Newports theory is completely flawed. And as someone trying to set themself up as an expert, you'd think they would take the time to get their facts right.
Yes he is right that not moving too much is a good idea... but that's all he's right about. The rest is nonsense made up theory... basically showing him up for not studying basic biology and psychology.

So yes i completely agree with you that not moving is a good practice (within reason, i think if you are starting to hurt, you'll probably be actually working against falling asleep)

Yes, now I understand better what you mean. Some healthy movement may not hurt, but alot of people might think that once they have moved maybe just a little bit, they have ruined their attempt. So it becomes like a dilemma, if you stay still in an uncomfortable movement, you won't fall asleep, but if you move and think that the attempt was ruined because of that, you fail too. So the best thing one can do is having a comfortable body and a positive and focused mind, I guess.

Edit: Of course, some people can totally ignore the pain and ache and still fall asleep, but I think that is difficult and requires alot of training.

I can see this being a problem if you are attempting something like a DEILD.

For any normal WILD, go ahead and move as much as you want. I normally start my WILD on my back, get super relaxed, then move to my side. On a bad night, I might roll from side to side two or three times. Just keep at it and don't get frustrated. The trick is learning to pick up where you left off, and not let the movement interrupt you.

When you fall asleep normally, you probably move a little. Also, while asleep, you move quite a bit. If sleep paralysis does happen to kick in, you will not be able to move. Doesn't matter if you have the urge to or not. Your body is physically paralyzed.

It is pretty much a non-issue. If you ignore it, it will not effect your WILD at all. Conversely, focusing on it could possibly provide you with the "anchor" you need to keep your focus through the WILD. I always assumed this was what Jeff777 really experienced in his confusing tutorial.