Thread: Both Awake and Asleep.

OK I kinda dout this really works with having a Lucid Dream. But somtimes when Im just about to wake up in the mornin I sorta realize i am dreaming but I realize i am awake. It is like I am in a dream have no control over it but I also am awake and can hear things. Then I just lay in bed for a while and go in and out of my dream. Well Id be glad to hear about anyones expieriences. Or if it could be used as a tequiniqe for having a lucid dream.

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I believe this is a hypnapompic hallucination, not a dream. I couldn't tell you for certain, though. Do your senses feel "normal" in your dream? If you tell your arm to move, do you move your real body or your dream body?

Its wierd its not like i can control my dream. This happens for about the firts 15 seconds of becoming awake.

I know about this 'feeling' too! It's a very strange experience and like you, I have no control whatsoever. I've tried dream spinning, but it's useless for me in this situations. The best thing I can do is force myself to wake up. I have tried several time to maintain this 'state' for some time, actually with good succes. However I'll not recommend it because when I do this, I'm really bombed when I finally decide to wake up, and that whole day feels like a day, where you have slept to much.

Unlike simonster I do believe it's a dream, however it's the ending you are witnessing.

I think this 'state' is the result of one's wishes to become lucid at the wrong time. Let me explain. When you are beginning to wake up (the time you normally wake up in the morning) the 'logic' part of the brain is ofcourse waking up too, and that's is when you are realizing that you are in fact dreaming. This causes a great deal of exciment, and you therefore try to maintain the dream. Hoiping to get lucid. However the 'normal waking up cycle' (which explains why you can hear things) has already started and therefore it's a struggle to hold on to the dream.

However I have no scienetific documentation on that this is actually what is happening.

I believe it's dreaming too.
Most of my LC's I can remember were like those.

I didn't had any control-problems. Flying and jumping of cliffs worked great. I only woke up again from beeing so excited to getting myself killed while jumping or I lost lucidity again because if it was weekend I could stay longer in bed without my mother teasing me to stand up.

I do indeed know what you are talking about.
I do not think it is hynogogic hallucinations though. It could be a very fine line. Usually HH accurs at the onset of going to sleep.
The only conclusion that I personally have come up with is that you are ready to awake but your caught in what is called sleep paralyis. You become concious but your subconcious has not let go of its control of your bodily functions. But it is not like what I would call normal sleep paralysis = when you lie there awake but not able to move. It is more like you are trapped between the two worlds. Crazy

I know about this, its about the closest thing i have had to LDs lately. I get it in the morning, but also sometimes while dozing in class or on the couch. Its not HI, though HI may be a part of it (i've heard voices talking very clearly in this state). But it is also dream, many times it has a story. Now i've tried to take control.. but its hard, i have it sorta for like 10-15 seconds then i lose it and wake up.

Now oddly enough.. its felt like OBE at times also. First time I experianced it was about a month ago. I was on the couch and my mom started talking to me. Now i was clearly in a dream with dream paralysis.. but it was strange, i could hear normally, then i saw through my eyelids.. yes, through them. Even more strange, i knew where my body was, yet I was looking out from the other corner of the room, while still listening and feeling my body where it was.

Since then, I know the feel, this happens 2-3 times a week, I was in a chapel and i closed my eyes and saw right through them. Another place was while in my English class, I dozed off, started to see through my eyelids, but instead of the english room's desk.. i was looking at the Chemistry room's desk. This is sometimes hard to control, but it can be VERY vivid and by far the most unbelievable thing, everything i see while in this state, is as it is in real life. So no, its not a dream, nor HI, and its not really OBE since i am still in my body but i can see remote places.

Its very strange, i'd like to hear feedback on this.

Originally posted by Simonster
I believe this is a hypnapompic hallucination, not a dream. I couldn't tell you for certain, though. Do your senses feel \"normal\" in your dream? If you tell your arm to move, do you move your real body or your dream body?

Originally posted by Howetzer
I do not think it is hynogogic hallucinations though. It could be a very fine line. Usually HH accurs at the onset of going to sleep.

I was mistaken.
I was talking about Hynogogic imagery or HI. Where hynopompic hallucinations (HH) do follow a closer pattern to what you are expieriancing.

I never recognised problems waking up in any of my LDs (if those were LDs). It's the opposite, It seems I can't stay in that state.
I have to decide wether I'd like to loose consciousness or wake up.

No feeling of beeing tapped at all. I *know* I could lift my real arm but than I would wake up...

hehe.. yes, It used to be hard for me to wake up from an LD (most commonly nightmares). Now it is all too easy to wake up.