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      My Last Explanation Of False Lucid Dream

      hi, I know that a lot of people struggle with me when talking about this, but this is the last time I will do it, because I understood something.
      My workings on dream yoga made me understand that, being Lucid in a dreams means having a clear mind, thus, giving time to the realization,becoming non-dual for a second, enough time to become Lucid, and be able to start doing your things.
      being non-dual means that everything is made from the same energy, also, that there is not bad or good, those things just arise spotaneusly, and are totally natural, they are perfect, like everything(you don't have to believe this, is not neccessary to understand my point )
      but, I think that we never give a right definition to a semi-lucid dream, false lucid dream, or....whatever.
      The realization of False/Semi Lucid Dream is based on duality, you don't have a full clear mind.
      These dreams, only happen in the middle or beginning of the dream(like a DILD) but never WILDING(that's impossible, you are consciously entering the dream)

      generally, people describes these dreams with something in common:
      they are not there, they don't feel there like in real life,they don't feel consciousness.
      they also, and this is another crucial point, ...they DOUBT about what happened, they doubt about if they were lucid or not.
      I want this doubt be cleared with this thread.

      this means,in some way you know you are dreaming, but you are still controled, by the dream, you are still being dreamed.
      but, in the other hand, you start to work with the environment as you were lucid. lots of things you do are right(you always wanted to fly, you are doing it right now), and lots are wrong(you will never hurt a dog, but in this dreams, you are doing it! you don't know why, that's not yourself!)

      I started to think, a lot, why do these things happen?

      yesterday I found the answer, an answer that define the problem and the solution, a definition that let me understand that I have done all my reality checks and thinkings half-wrong....

      Lucid Dream is only one thing. not two.
      but, how, how LD can be divided into two things?

      Lucid Dream, can be divided, wrongly, into two things: Oneself, and The Environment, or, Oneself, and the Dream.

      Lucid Dream is: being aware that one is dreaming.

      and that always was correct, but the problem is the subject, how one interpret this, and if one interpret this wrongly, can lead to False Lucidity.

      I said that if we talk about Lucid Dream wrongly, we would talk about Oneself, and the Dream.

      In a lucid dream, there is no separation, no division, one become aware that EVERYTHING is part of the dream. but that's not the entire point.

      the problem in a False Lucid Dream is that one has first divided lucidity( accidently, of course) into two things: becoming aware that the environment is a dream, and becoming aware that ONESELF is part of the dream(that oneself is being dreamed)

      and that leads to confusion.

      when one enters into a False Lucid State, one becomes aware that the environment is a dream, forgetting that one is still part of the dream, that one is being dreamed, that one is hidden by a false ego(because when we are in a dream we do a lot of things that are extremely weird, ok?)

      this leads to a change in the plot of the dream.

      one nows, start to do things believing he is lucid, when is not, at least not rightly.

      finally, let's compare the definitions:

      Lucid Dream:
      a dream in where ONE is aware that HE/SHE is dreaming(this means that ONE and the DREAM are only one thing)

      False/Semi Lucid Dream: a dream in where ONE is aware that the environment is a dream(or something like that)

      this leads to a False Oneself involved in the dream, doing whatever he want because he knows that everything is a dream, but forgetting that he is still being dreamed, and so, he is never completely AWARE.
      in other words, awareness is divided, and brought only to the environment, and forgetting oneself.

      so, that's all.

      what's the solution?
      knowing the problem is part of the solution, now one must bring this knowledge to a very conscious level, still doing all the practices(reality check, dream yoga, and all those things) but remembering that one is part of the dream, that the dream and the dreamer are only one, part of the same consciousness.

      ok, I hope you like it, this cleared my mind a lot, and made me understand that Lucid Dream is very easy for me.

      ok bye!




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      Last edited by Mariano; 08-30-2009 at 07:24 PM.

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      What are you suggesting, that a lucid dream is somewhat more a lucid dream when we consider the dream to be a part of us? That is a thought, an idea, it doesn't have anything to do with non-dualism, it is pseudo.

      Lucidity (whether you know you are dreaming or not) is not affected by how much you think you are ONE with the dream, that is just a thought WITHIN the dream, it does not change directly whether you do or do not know you are dreaming, they are entirely separate concepts.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      I think I understand what you are talking about, though it might be confusing for a lot of people to use the terms "lucid" and "false lucid". These are just words anyways.

      I guess the big question is, instead of just becoming aware that our environment is a dream, how do we become aware that we are the ones doing the dreaming?

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