Thread: So you think you can't LD?

Cloud, this is the best description of lucidity I've seen so far. Thank you for writing it, it is a great reminder.
As for what kind of awareness (of the body, sounds, images, thoughts etc.), I'd just like to say, it should be awareness (watchfullness) of the present moment. Have this kind of awareness as the body goes to sleep and you get lucid dreams/astral projection...and more.

Thank you Cloud, I appreciate this. I understand what you mean about detachment, I'm glad you made it a point to mention it. I was surprised that some expressed an opinion that your post may be confusing to novices -- I'm inexperienced, yet you actually helped clarify some things for me. I thank you again.

Originally Posted by WaterDreamer

I was surprised that some expressed an opinion that your post may be confusing to novices -- I'm inexperienced, yet you actually helped clarify some things for me. I thank you again.

That's because for most newbies, it will be confusing. I can tell from reading most of the posts on this thread that an unsettling majority aren't completely understanding what ClouD is getting at. On the surface, it appears to be a suggested method for obtaining lucidity, but really it's a challenge, a discourse on the possible fallibility of the definition so widely and fervently taught by the community at large.

ClouD's take on lucidity, I feel, is far more complete than the established way of looking at things. It's major downfall: it's too complex for most newcomers to fully grasp and practically apply. Experienced LDers should know exactly what he's talking about (and, I must say, detached is an excellent word for it), but anyone without that personal knowledge, when it comes time to count lucids, won't have anything to go on besides an abstract idea of detached awareness, and freedom, that makes a kind of sense and a concrete definition that everyone else seems to be using. Hopefully, you see how that may be cause for confusion.

To prove my point, most people reading that probably thought all my references to definitions pointed solely to the definition of Lucid Dreaming; they didn't. As ClouD has been saying, lucidity and Lucid Dreaming are two separate ideas that need to be placed in proper perspective. Both are respectable goals in the pursuit of freedom, and it's very possible to achieve one without the other, but by practicing pure lucidity one can achieve greater freedom than one can from a simple, fleeting realization. The problem is getting people to understand that through words.

Originally Posted by marwanin

Hello,

did you survive with this IDEA since this post ??

in other words, did you were AWARE in waking life every day since you wrote this post ?

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did you found some other tips, tricks to LDing ?

What might seem as an idea to you, is experience for me. Not to sound corny, but I don't consider it an idea. I'm speaking from my experience, which often concurs with other peoples' experiences.

I think it is safe to say that EVERYONE has been aware in waking life, every single day since I wrote this post. If you mean aware of awareness, detached from the situation, or anything similar, then I'd say I have been to an extent. It has drifted this way and that into different perspectives. I have been doing this for years now, being more conscious and detached, at first deliberately, and then I assume habitually. I do not consider it different, things just happen and my mind goes with it. Compared to my pre-DV times I think I am much more detached and aware now, but my attitude has fluctuated greatly over the years even if the awareness has generally grown.

I have extremely frequent lucid dreams, and dreams are usually remembered as if waking memories. They feel hardly different, sometimes not at all. Don't know what that might be interpreted as though.