Finger Switch Induced Lucid Dream..an idea. Quite technical.

**imj** · 07-05-2010 06:05 AM

Hi guys....since someone came up with FILD...Y not rig up a micro switch...a small tiny switch used in door closed sensors in lifts..etc if you can get one from radioshack. But problem with micro switches is that the connection requires soldering work and is bare so you can't use mains voltage. Basically when we fall asleep the muscles relax and yes the switch is normally closed or in the ON position. When the finger presses it is off you can fall asleep but when the switch is released the light or WILD aid (light or audio) comes on. For those who know electronics you could put a delay to turn on say like 5 minutes after releasing the switch to allow your fingers to rest a bit on and off before really dozing off.

IMJ

**reci** · 07-06-2010 03:51 AM

I really like this idea!

I made an LED circuit in physics class this past semester that used a couple chips and other components to make a series of LEDs flash in sequence, with a potentiometer to alter the speed of the pattern.

I'd like to hear if you try to make this. I've seen other DIY lucid aids, such as this.

I think I'll take a stab at it. What would you use to make the LEDs pulse, as opposed to switching on and off? Also, in my physics class, we borrowed the teacher's chips (555 and 4017). What are some chips that are cheap and easily obtainable that would do this job?

**imj** · 07-06-2010 04:39 AM

Hi....thanks for replying I thought no one would ...XD. I'm not an electronic expert more like electrical inclined but there are many circuits you can follow on the net..most use the 555 timer but I am like too 'lazy' to build one. I am thinking of using a regular light instead which can also be made to blink..

http://www.electronic-circuits-diagr...ghtsckt1.shtml

IMJ

**reci** · 07-06-2010 06:08 PM

Okay, I think I figured out what timer I'll be using. I have this alarm with two parts: one on the door and the other part on the frame above the door. When the two parts become out of proximity (a few inches), the alarm sounds. I took it apart and hooked up an LED in place of the alarm speaker. It works great because the alarm noise would pulse, and with the LED hooked up, it also pulses!

Were you planning on using the light like a NovaDreamer mask, in which the light is directly in front of your eye, or were you going to have the light at a distance aimed at your face? That would explain why you want an incandescent bulb instead of an LED.

As far as executing the plan, I think this would be best to use with WBTB, as you would already be in your REM sleep. So, you would sleep for 4 or 5 hours. Wake up and set up this rig, then go back to sleep. I am only hesitant that I will still be awake when the lights start flashing. You mentioned a 5 minute delay. Where could I get a chip to do that?

**reci** · 07-06-2010 07:23 PM

I was just thinking, would it be possible to have a recording (5 minutes of silence in the beginning, and then have a tone that pulses the volume in and out) played through a modified set of headphones (with the headphones removed and have light(s) replacing them)? I'm wondering how much voltage goes through a normal set of headphones when hooked up to an iPod.

Tell me if this is completely absurd. I was just thinking about this because I practically did the same in the above post.

**imj** · 07-07-2010 05:25 AM

Hi...about the light I use yes it's positioned at a distance cause I find wearing things while sleeping difficult and I tend to remove the gadget when it goes off like unplugging the ear phones when the cue went off I know it went off cause it always happen. The chip circuit I used for the delay was bought from a store but the chip they used is the 4060 counter. I do have the schematics if you are interested I can scan it for you but you'd have to use the bread board. I also have their cycle timer also using the 4060 chip and schematics which I use for the REM timing. You know how to connect resistors/IC numbering and stuff then it would be easy to build one. The kit uses common things that I think should be available in electronic hobby shops I have already burned 3 4060s by wrong polarity fortunately they are replaceable. Btw it sounds like where you are living it's difficult to get electronic parts is it?

IMJ

**imj** · 07-07-2010 05:29 AM

That would require some engineering although it sounds like an easy idea I'm not up to it..

. You can try activating an MP3 player with silence as delay if you can sacrifice one to bypass it's ON switch (if you/I even know how to without damaging it)with the idea I posted...maybe it may work. Or if you want to use audio only to cue...then just use the MP3 player and add silence until the actual cuing track plays. This finger switch idea was for WILD and to solve my 'not being able to sleep with timer' problem but it depends on your imagination it can also be used for WBTB..

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IMJ

**Clyde Machine** · 07-07-2010 04:53 PM

Why make getting lucid so complicated as to create a need for extra apparatus? Practice DILD/MILD/DEILD/WILD, and you have cost-free lucid dreams that you can do anywhere, anytime.

**reci** · 07-07-2010 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by imj

Btw it sounds like where you are living it's difficult to get electronic parts is it?

No, I'm just cheap!

Originally Posted by Clyde Machine

Why make getting lucid so complicated as to create a need for extra apparatus? Practice DILD/MILD/DEILD/WILD, and you have cost-free lucid dreams that you can do anywhere, anytime.

You are right. It's just that I've been in a dry spell for over a year. Okay, maybe I haven't been trying all this time... But I'm getting back into lucid dreaming again. I'm completely fine with dream recall, but it's catching those moments where reality seems warped that troubles me (for DILDs). For WILDing, I can get into SP but then I either stay awake for a long time and give up or fall asleep by accident. Yes, I use a DJ and I try to RC in waking life when I see something abnormal.

**Clyde Machine** · 07-07-2010 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by PR0G4P4RV18

You are right. It's just that I've been in a dry spell for over a year. Okay, maybe I haven't been trying all this time... But I'm getting back into lucid dreaming again. I'm completely fine with dream recall, but it's catching those moments where reality seems warped that troubles me (for DILDs). For WILDing, I can get into SP but then I either stay awake for a long time and give up or fall asleep by accident. Yes, I use a DJ and I try to RC in waking life when I see something abnormal.

It's alright to think outside the box, just remember that there are already so many induction methods for the reason that they work.

Good luck to you!

**imj** · 07-09-2010 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Clyde Machine

Why make getting lucid so complicated as to create a need for extra apparatus? Practice DILD/MILD/DEILD/WILD, and you have cost-free lucid dreams that you can do anywhere, anytime.

It's complicated to you and most people who are not familiar with electrical stuff which is not a fair judgment for those who want to get lucid with their knowledge of using devices. To me using the techs on the tutorial is more complicated than what I'm using because most are confusing and involve unnatural thought habits that would negatively affect waking life in the long run.

IMJ