Thread: Robert Monroe

I seem to remember reading Journeys out of the Body. I'm still extremely skeptical as well. It seems to me that an OBE could most easily be explained as just another lucid dream

Originally posted by Seeker
I seem to remember reading Journeys out of the Body. *I'm still extremely skeptical as well. *It seems to me that an OBE could most easily be explained as just another lucid dream

I have had a few OBEs at night and I did notice every time I did it it was nothing more than a dream but every thing that is supposed to happen does you can feel vibrations and a pull and everything. But when You get out everything is strange you can see people who see you and things you dont see in real life. But if you read books and arcticles this is how they explaine the astral plane it is very similar to WILD. I did not read any books specificaly on astral projection thoe.

Originally posted by Seeker
I seem to remember reading Journeys out of the Body. *I'm still extremely skeptical as well. *It seems to me that an OBE could most easily be explained as just another lucid dream

Exactemundo.

Originally posted by cynical_bob
I heard Robert Monroe wrote a good book on astral projection. I searched the library catalogue and found 3 books: \"Far Journeys\" \"Ultimate Journey\" and \"Journeys out of the body\"

Which is the \"good book\", or are they all as good as each other?

Which would you recommend for a sceptical newbie?

Any other recommendations?
Thanks.

I am currently 75% of the way through his one book called ----> Ultimate Journey HE has also authored, Journey Out of the Body and Far Journeys.
Now do I recommend this book???? Well I am one to not hold limits to anyone but expect a far journey from reality if you know what I mean. You can make your own assumption.

Yes. Visit the Monroe institute
They also have information on Hemi-synce technology.

I own journeys out of the body. It's a pretty interesting book. worth checking out at the library, at least.

OBE = not a dream. OBE experiences can easily go into lucid dream pools; however, the OBE in itself is not a dream. This has been documented with remote viewing. Yes remote viewing is slightly different then OBE, but only in the sense that you do not have to travel in with your astral body to reach your destination.

For those of you who do not know, remote viewing is the ability to see a place or person anywhere, anytime. Let's say that I wanted to see what my friend Jake was doing, all I would have to do is think of Jake, then I could instantly see Jake and what he was doing (creepy I know.) Psychologist have documented this with people who reported having near death experiences, and then being able to see many people at once, and what they were doing. They later investigated and found that what they had saw had acutally happened. Everyone they saw was doing exactly what the remote viewer described. The government has also admitted to using remote viewers during the cold war.

Hard to believe, but OBE's are not a dream, they are just experience beyond our physical constrainments. The astral world that Monroe is talking about goes along with physics string theory as well.

Waking Life, do you have ANY evidence of what you are saying? People are an unreliable source, so personal experiences are a pathetic way to argue the authenticity of OBEs. They could EASILY be a dillusion, a dream, a coincidence, a dreamlike state of mind, anything. Its FAR to controversial and unproven to be argued about, so please don't. Its like debating religion - nothing can be proven or unproven, at least not at the moment.

Anyway, the purpose of the post wasn't to debate OBEs, I'm just interested in getting a book on the topic because I want to learn as much as I can about different states of mind so I can more easily understand what is happening at any one time, and how to do it again.

Thanks for your input, though.

It seems to be in our nature to want to lable things. I would not be so quick to lable anything to be or not be true or false. Moreover when we are talking about the brain, conscious and everything that goes with it.

And the remote viewing Topic about the government's project. The Forum has a couple of posts about that. I too have looked into it. As far as I know the govenment considered what they found inconclusive..... Maybe that means it worked!

Originally posted by Waking Life
For those of you who do not know, remote viewing is the ability to see a place or person anywhere, anytime. Let's say that I wanted to see what my friend Jake was doing, all I would have to do is think of Jake, then I could instantly see Jake and what he was doing (creepy I know.)

If the this was a proven thing could one be convicted of voyeurism or tresspassing?

Wow, don't get me wrong.. I'm not going to say that this is and this isn't, becuase I can't prove anything. I can't say that there are other countries because I haven't left this one. I can't say that there is a president because Iv'e never seen him for myself. For all I know I'm dead and in a lucid dream right now.

So, in a sense, nothing is really provable, I was just relaying the information that I have learned. I have not personally remote viewed myself, and I don't remember my two astral voyages, and even if I had, it would still be debatable whether I had simply slipped into a dream pool or something.

But as far as I have read and discussed with others, the remote viewing experiments are pretty strong in their findings. But agian, I'm not them, and I wasn't there, so on and so forth...

And to address the original question, I have read these two books on AP:

Astral Projection Plain & Simple (Phillips)
Pratical Guide to Astral Projection (Denning & Phillips)

I think both offer a good general grasp on AP.

Hope that helps...

Thanks Waking Life for some more sources on astral projection.
I have been quite frankly, dissapointed in the ones I have read. I am not sure what I am expecting. Maybe a more scientific approach to the whole method.

Astral Projection Plain & Simple (Phillips)
Pratical Guide to Astral Projection (Denning & Phillips)

I think both offer a good general grasp on AP. [/b]

----------> Both of those sound like they strip it down to a simpler form rather than making it confusing and complicated.

I read all three Monroe books, but only really enjoyed Far Journeys.,

It can be a little slow to get into, but I found it opened me up to different ideas and possibilities.

Good thing was all 3 I could get at the library.

His books don't seem to give good instructions for inducing OBE.

Personally I am having much better success with Lucid Dreaming and it seems as much fun and as interesting as OBE.

Originally posted by cooter
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Any other recommendations?

Thanks.

I would recommend two new authors that I have been introduced to. Both books were very good. They have a whole new approach to looking at life itself.
Anthony De Mello.= Awareness *****
Eckhart Tolle. = A new earth ***
" ". = The power of Now***

It's worth noting that Monroe started writing long before the term "lucid dreaming" was a widely acknowledged concept and long after "astral projection" was already firmly established in occult tradition.

Monroe doesn't mention lucid dreaming at all, so he should be examined with the knowledge that he may have been describing the same experience.

by 'newbie' i am assuming you mean newbie to lucid dreaming as well (not just A.P.).

my advice would be to read one of his books if you want an interesting read, but not if you are hoping for results.

2 or 3 years ago i read one of his books ("journeys out of body' i believe, but i'm not certain). anyways, at the time i had never heard of lucid dreaming, and it looked interesting in the used bookstore. it was my first introduction to the possibility of a 'world' outside waking reality.

anyways, i read it, and was fascinated by his experiences, but found it had virtually no useful info on cultivating the correct state of mind to "astral project'. (though perhaps some of his other books might). i smoked weed heavily at the time, so i stopped for 40 days, and attempted to AP. i wasn't keeping a dream journal at the time, and didn't really concentrate much on my dreams. however, i did experience 'threshold vibrations', or what i would now label sleep paralysis, which was very interesting in itself.

but all i had was one brief (psuedo?) astral projection where i floated up and viewed my body in bed, before being 'snapped' back. soon after i resumed chronic drug use and lost interest around the 45 day mark.

until i started a dream journal awhile ago, and then came upon Laberge's excellent book "Exploring the world of Lucid Dreaming" a few weeks ago . ifound it much more useful practically. i've had my first 6 lucid dreams already, including one WILD (which was CERTAINLY a dream, but which i would have labeled an astral projection if i'd had it while making my first misguided attempts years ago)

Or another time i was attempting a WILD, vibrating nicely, when i thought i'd woken up. i looked around, my room was exactly the same, stereo display silently blinking, everything in its place. however, when i woke up the next day, i realized my stereo display hadn't been on. again, when i was preoccupied with 'astral projection, i would have said 'oh man, i traveled to the astral version of my bedroom, but didn't realize'. presently, i am of the mind that my mind merely re-created it in incredible detail

i don't know what to make of astral projection. it is possible that a separate, autonomous 'astral' realm exists, but it seems there are so many conflicting accounts of what it is exactly. when i become more proficient at lucid dreaming, i will certainly reinvestigate it, but presently, it seems like a waste of my time.
if it truly exists, dreaming is crawling, lucid dreaming is walking, and astral projecting is flying. and, one must learn things in stages.

asher, i'm curious - how often/how much do you smoke pot now, since you've had 6 lucid dreams recently? do you find that how much you do or do not smoke affects your dream recall, awareness, or control? i smoke a fair amount (1 to 3 bowls a day, probably), and don't know if i should cut back for LDing or if it really makes a difference. everyone seems to say different things about it.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html ----- E-Book Of OBEs

Thats what really got me into the OBE stuff, then later Lucid Dreaming. Its kinda different from the other books because its a little less formal and instead of spending a whole lot of time Telling you what it is, he gives a lot of examples and personal expereince. He also goes very in depth of how to induce OBEs. Plus, after coming to DV, I have a hunch that OBE is somewhat branched from LDing at Least.

Peace.