Thread: lead a double life?

In other words do u guys think its possible? ive read on net somewere that its immposible to acheive i'd like to think it is tho. maybe i shuda did a post

I don't know what you mean by having a second life in LDs. If you mean LDing every night, then yeah, I learned how to do that a while ago.

Dear Infinity,

Here is something you can try... the next time you have a lucid dream, look around at the Dream Scenary and then ask yourself what you remember about everything that you see. If you are anything like myself, and Lucid Dreamers tend to have much in common, then you will be hit with a flood of memories that have nothing whatsoever to do with your waking life, but which must be coming from out of an almost entirely independent life of your Dream Self.

You see, just because we wake up in the Morning, it does not mean that our Subconscious Dream Personalities simply evaporate into nothingness. Just because nobody is conscious of them, it does not mean that the Dreams don't continue to go on and on and on.

A few years back I was working on a jazzy piano riff for a popular song I enjoyed playing along with. Then I had other things to do for a few weeks. When I finally had a chance to get back to it, the ideal little riff simply poured out from my magic little fingers. Consciousness may be linear, but Mental Activity continues on and on and can operate below consciousness. We don't have to be conscious of what we are thinking in order to keep thinking. If a tree falls down in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, it sure as hell still makes a noise. Dreaming still takes place even when we are not sleeping. The Mind's Work is never done.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
If a tree falls down in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, it sure as hell still makes a noise.

Actually, it's just a vibration on the air until there's someone to interpret it into a sound. Sorry, I had to say that. Besides that, you make some very interesting points. It's not the normal form of dreaming, though, like with a world and all. It's just deeper thought processes. Right? I agree with you if that's what you meant. If you mean that you actually have dreams going on behind the scenes like normal dreams, I wouldn't be too surprised of that either. Really interesting.

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<!--QuoteBegin-Leo Volont

If a tree falls down in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, it sure as hell still makes a noise.

Actually, it's just a vibration on the air until there's someone to interpret it into a sound. Sorry, I had to say that. Besides that, you make some very interesting points. It's not the normal form of dreaming, though, like with a world and all. It's just deeper thought processes. Right? I agree with you if that's what you meant. If you mean that you actually have dreams going on behind the scenes like normal dreams, I wouldn't be too surprised of that either. Really interesting. [/b]

yes... when I opened up my Dream Self's memory, there was all sorts of content that went way beyond anything that I could remember from past dreams. This Dream Self had had a complete and coherent set of Experiences. I inferred from that, that even after one awakes, the Dream Self keeps on going. Our Consciousness is not there to follow along, but that hardly concerns the Dream Self.

Which brings up the point that Consciousness, that is Self Awareness and the Ability to Reflect are not actually all that essential. Sleep walkers do not have it. Drunks who remember nothing the next day are able to drive home, though not very safely, without it. Everytime somebody commits a social or moral blunder that we find incomprehensible, the answer may simply be that that particular person is simply NOT CONSCIOUS. It may be that some people go through life without Self Awareness or any degree of reflection. some Autistics seem to fit into that paradigm. And so it may be that our Dream Selves are able to sustain activity in their purely mental environment, never missing the light that is added by the presence of our visiting Consciousness from our Waking Selves.

I know what your talking about leo, the theory made by scientists of whether actually everyone is concious/aware or not and to what degree, they call it zombie and/or robot theory have you heard of this? but back to my original thought, i was thinking say everytime we wen't to sleep we took off exactly were we left the nite before from lucidity, and could visit the same characters like in the movie vanila sky. And gothlark although i havnt achieved lucidity every night i'd probably say its once a week for me but... i think its important that people do let themselfes have normal dreams can't remember why tho lol read it somewere.

Yeah, that's really interesting, Leo. It may just be false memories, but I think that your inference is quite possibly correct. Infinity, you could probably do that quite easily. Dream incubation would allow you to go back to the same storyline each night, but it's somewhat unreliable at times. But if you were lucid, then you can teleport back to the world you want very easily. One good way I find is to just pass through an object, expecting the world you want on the other side. I still have non-lucids, when my subconscious finds it necessary. But it isn't that common. I'll still be lucid that night, but I'll have one non-lucid among the bunch. When I wake up from a night with a non-lucid, I always say to myself, "We're sorry to interrupt your current lucid schedule, but now an important message from your subconscious." Also, I can take a break every now and then if I want.

I could read the stuff you guys write all day and night. Literally. I'm out of work and have nothing else to do. Lol Very interesting. Mmm

[/quote]We're sorry to interrupt your current lucid schedule, but now an important message from your subconscious."

Lol im luving that

Have you guys read the carlos castenada books? and if you dont mind me asking what's your goal with lucid dreaming? and have you achieved it? pure seeing, o.b.e's etc or just for fun?

I believe I read some of one of Carlos Castaneda's books. Seemed pretty cool. I still probably have it somewhere. I currently LD to try and just have fun, mainly. But I also use it to try and explore my potential. I originally started to try OBEing through LDs, but now I think that OBEs might just be vivid dreams. I might look into them sometime still, though.

I havnt tried o.b.e's yet dont think im good enough for that just yet but i'll certainly try in the future neways i think you should read the carlos castenada books he has about 10 in all. Sounds like a big task but well worth it m8, thats what got me into lding and i think was one of the first books stating lucid dreams being possible, he and this indian sorcerer named don juan talk about visiting other worlds and about seeing pure energy and auras, morphing into animals in the real world, obe's, foreign bodies that enter our dreams, dream sharing has the lot in there and much more.

Originally posted by infinity369
Whats everyones opinion on living a 2nd life through lds *i know for one thing u'd have to be an ld god! *

What about the idea of living a second life simultaneously? Like splitting your energy into two bodies and living two lives at the same time. What if you met yourself?

What if you met yourself?[/b]

Possible. Your dream-self might very easily meet your real-life-self. Almost like in an Out-Of-Body state when you find yourself looking at your physical body with your astral eyes. Normal persons cannot see the astral body, just like they cannot percept the presence of someone's dream-self.
You should try to locate your house/flat in your (lucid) dream and then walk up to your bed. Then You'll see. Yourself. But only through Your dream eyes, because the physical eyes are shut. (okay some exceptions when people sleep with their eyes open)

some of this is a cool thought. like i thought of the double life thing before. being christian, i'm not into the whol spirit energy, OBE thing but lucid dreaming is cool.

i wondered that to though. If you got real good, gould you make it to were it feels like another life. Like when you go to bed, you lucid dream for what feels like the 16 hour day (you awake 16 hours ususally) and then you wake up into the real world, stay awake 16 hours and then go back to LD world ect.

that, my friends, would be fun. you could be a jedi for 16 hours lol. could you imagine the confusion though. go to tell a friend a funny story that happened and then quickly remember that it was in LD world and think of a quick cop out "Yea, so yesterday i had to go to Naboo and fight General Grivous again" "....what are you talking about?" "crap...ummm....o yea, i just bought that new star wars game....yes....game...thats it"
lol

Oops!

I think I inadvertantly borrowed your Thread idea for one of my own... I guess the idea had to have come from somewhere.

I hope it isn't too late to say "thank you".

Oh.. here is my essay:

The Disengaged Dream Self

Okay, to understand this little essay, one must first comprehend this particular premise, that the Waking Self and the Dream Self are not identical or even particularly integrated with one another. Their experiences are simply too different. We suppose they are the same because each one of them offers us the grammatical First Person Experience – the ‘I’ perspective. Also, in many but not all instances the Dream Self has roughly the same Body Image as the Waking Self. But this is where the similarity ends. The Dream Self lives in different habitats (perhaps always originating in venues from our actual past, but not ending there, as the Dream Self has nothing to limit the boundaries of its wandering), has different habits, lives by different rules, and even keeps different friends. The next time you are lucid, simply access your dream self’s memory by asking yourself, for instance, when was the last time I was here at this dream scene, or, where do I usually hang out here in dream land? If the results are the same for you as they were for me, then what will spill out is a complete and coherent set of memories indicating that the Dream Self doesn’t just roll out of nothingness during our REM Cycles, but actually has its own life.

Several weeks ago the question came up of why we cannot do the same miracles awake that we can manage when we dream – when we can fly and exercise some degree of direct control over things. The Dream Self has these powers. The Waking Self does not. There have been many documented cases in History, the History of the Saints and Mystics, in which it has been found that certain individuals did have these miraculous powers. It was as though they had access to their Dream Selves while awake (like a reverse Lucid Dream, where the Dream Self realizes it is Awake).

Could that be the answer, that in the lives of these Saints, they had managed to somehow integrate their Dream Selves inseparably into their Waking Selves? Well, supposing so, what would be the first step in achieving such a concord? Perhaps as we become Lucid we could use our momentary ascendancy over the Dream Self to set in motion the Dream Self’s approaching to a closer parallel with the Waking Self’s Life. Instead of the Dream Self haunting scenes often so unfamiliar to us, and consorting with people who are complete strangers to us, what if we could convince the Dream Self to focus on our territory, our friends, our Life. It is as though the Dream Self is attached to the things of Memory and Fantasy, and is frankly bored with the lives we live today. Well, that isn’t very mature, is it? The Dream Self must be made to understand that things could be so much better if both the Waking Self and the Dream Self could apply themselves toward the same goals and interests.

It is often said that we use only a portion of our brain’s capacity. Well, how much more could we increase that capacity if when the next time we access our Dream Self’s memory, we find that the Dream Self had been following us to Work, to home, and off into our complicated areas of play and interpersonal relationships. With the Waking Self and the Dream Self engaged in living the same lives, we’d have a partnership between the Conscious and Subconscious Minds which certainly could sharpen intuitions, insights and even skills and abilities.

But is it possible? Well, just the other night I presented this Case to my own Dream Self, and it consented to leave its accustomed realms and come to my new city, and in good dream style actually bought the Airline Tickets – one way. But there is still work to be done… my dream self insisted on buying 5 or 6 additional tickets for some Dream Characters with whom he did not wish to part. But it was a start. Or perhaps these Dream Characters will prove to be good allies in my day to day struggles of good vanquishing evil.

I've wondered about this too. The last time I LD'd, I met a group of people in thr dream world. They all apparently were familiar with LDing. They were very welcoming to me. I made friends with this one guy. He was really cool. Then I was suddenly awakened and pulled from the dream. I quickly tried to get back to sleep - which I did, went back to where I was and found Carlos, it turned out was his name. So now I am eager to see if I bump into him again. He remembered me even after I'd left and then returned. So I want to see if the friendship continues, which would kind of be like another life, I guess...

interesting Leo, I like that theory, because it might explain why I have memories that should not be there. Ones from different times and different places where I have never been. I think i'll ask myself when I get the chance about it.