Originally posted by Tsen
Care to provide resources? If history has shown it so often, where's the proof? I've asked time and time again, and I just want resources.
What was once seen as science FICTION is continually and increasingly becoming science \"fact\". AND some things once considered true in light of science are now known as untruths. Again, this is tangential and a never-ending discussion with many factors and issues to debate, so it may be more worthy of pm...
Now, don't go bashing science's veracity, because science is rarely wrong, merely incomplete.[/b]
\"Incomplete\" also implies \"complete.\" One mistake that many people make is assuming that there will eventually be a point of \"completion\" - as if science is leading us to some point in the future where we will \"know it all.\" In truth, the more you know, the more you know you DON'T know. My point is not so much to bash \"science's veracity\" as it is to say don't confuse science with some inane ability to arrive at absolute truth. In other words, don't deify it. It is what it is and it's ALWAYS fluctuating, and NOT always \"building on itself\" as so many try to argue.
Meanwhile, counter-culture fanatics go saying that we're wrong on every level. Hell, if it wasn't for science, you wouldn't be able to make up these 'electrokinesis' things. Electricity wasn't an accepted fact until around the 17th century, and was ridiculed at the time by people, who, like you, refused to believe the evidence under their noses.[/b]
FYI: I didn't make it up, yo. And I suppose you would like to have placed yourself among \"the people\" who accepted electricity as good and knew it to be good before the 17th century. Can't get more presumptuous than that!
And now, here you are, bashing science as untrue, while shoving forward your incomplete and unbased claims wrought from twisted and mutilated sciences that were not long ago bashed in turn by your own kin. [/b]
My kin? I only have one brother... I think before you get all bent outta shape my fren, you need to look above.
Science at least is trying to explain things, while you guys sit here in the Beyond Dreaming forum and talk about how reality is beyond discription and therefore not worth proving. Once again I call you all to get off your arses and prove it. And once again I'll be met with half-way remarks and ridicule.[/b]
Whoa, NELLY! WHOA! We're just talking about kinesis, yo. No one that I know said that these things are scientifically verifiable "facts" This is discussion about dreams and dream content.
I have dreams many times where I can control the air or the weather at will, sometimes produce fire from my hands at will, cause lightning bolts to strike at will and control water in the same way as air... Most of the time, though these end up in some sort of destruction or harm, so if possible I try to stay away from them and have found that they tend to occur when I feel threatened as if I have somehow learned these things by instinct rather than conscious or proactive will.
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