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    1. 07-03-2011 06:19 AM #1
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      Question Lucid Dreaming and OBE's

      Hey guys.

      Could someone explain to me the differences between just a normal LD, and an OBE?
      Cause they sound pretty similar to me..

      And also, is there a difference between an Out of Body Experience and an Astral Projection?

      Thanks Heaps!
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    2. 07-03-2011 06:48 AM #2
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      OBEs are a different kind of lucid dreams, usually the result of a successful "passive" (no visualizations) WILD/DEILD attempt.

      Specifically, the world around you is generated out of your memory and that's why they start from your bed.
      Leaving your body and controlling DCs can be difficult, but stabilized OBEs are very vivid and your new senses feel... different, it's hard to explain.

      People who believe in the existence of the astral plane call them "astral projections" instead.
      "[...] As a result, the practitioner may decide that a parallel world has been entered: the world beyond, the astral plane, mental space, or the ether. Although travel in the phase can lead to many places, this does not mean that the phase allows travel through or use of actual, alternate worlds. The practitioner should be reasonable"
      Michael Raduga (A Practical Guidebook, p.172)
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    3. 07-03-2011 07:50 AM #3
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      Ok. So in an OBE can you change the environment around you etc? Or is it like, the astral plane? Where you cant actually change stuff?
      I've started reading Michael Raduga's book. School on Out of Body Travel, but I don't really understand what the difference between a phase (or the phase) and the actual OBE.
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      Lucid dreams are in your head or the dream plane. OBE's are in the astral plane. I do not believe you can change things in the astral plane but you can in the dream plane.
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      Ohhhh right..
      Thanks. Any chance you could explain how the Dream Plane differs from the Astral Plane?
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      I use to differentiate the two. But now that I have Had a few more lucid dream experiences I feel that ap and ld are both being played on the astral planes. When I use to ap or ethereal project(obe) my awareness is sharp there is no need for reality checks I know exactly what's happening at onset of experience. My theory on this is that I never went to my deep sleep phase I was in the lighter stages of sleep when I became aware. Ofcourse when I ld I have to figure what's happening. I think this is because I'm in a deeper sleep state then obe and ap. That's why when we dream we are considered to be in a slumber. Going lucid in dream is the process of getting out of your slumber and reaching the awareness levels of obe and ap. So I feel based on my experiences with both though I don't think they are separate.
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      ld,obe,astral travel they all are of same kind but when you get concious in dream it is ld and obe is simmilar to wilding where you experience separation from body and the phase he is talking about is sum of ld,obe,and astral travel.

      Are you dreaming?
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      Quote Originally Posted by NightSpy2 View Post
      Ok. So in an OBE can you change the environment around you etc? Or is it like, the astral plane? Where you cant actually change stuff?
      I've started reading Michael Raduga's book. School on Out of Body Travel, but I don't really understand what the difference between a phase (or the phase) and the actual OBE.
      You can find what Raduga thinks about the "phase" (OBE) in my signature.
      This is the definition of AP on Wikipedia: Astral projection
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    9. 07-03-2011 06:12 PM #9
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      The astral plane is the 2nd plane of existence, the dream plane is the third. According to the dreamviews definition of astral plane haha.
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      So much confusingness!! xD
      Ok, so I kinda get it now. AP and OBE are like, the same thing. Just different.
      And then the dream plane is just your own mind?
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