Just a coincidence?

[Yume]

A few nights ago I was in my bed and I was LDing like normal. Everything seemed fine until my dream kept getting smaller. I was in a 3rd person perspective. After my dream seemed too far away it looked like I woke up because I could see my bed. The weird thing was I could still see my dream. I could not move my body, but I could hear and see what was going on. My father walked in and he took some money out of my wallet. After he left my dream got big again. I just thought it was part of my dream, but when I woke up I saw that some of my money was gone. He took $10.00 (American). I went out and yelled at him for not asking me if he could borrow money. I would think this was a dream, but the fact he took money while I was sleeping makes me think this is more than just a dream. Can anyone tell me what it is?

[Rakkantekimusouka]

Hmmm...the first thing that comes to my mind is that the reality became incorporated into your dream. Like sometimes the air from my fan will become the air against my body as I fly in my dream. So the presence and noise of your father coming in and taking money melded into the dream, and since it couldn't be interpreted as much else, it was projected exactly as it was. Does this make sense? Of course, another likely explanation is that between the realms of the waking and the sleeping, you tapped an area of extraordinary sight, to perceive what was going on around you, which was thus brought into your dream, although your initial dream was not replaced, just pushed to the side. I hope this helps.

[Newmoon]

You could have had your eyes open. I've had this happen (As mentioned in the other topic) its a lot like looking through dirty glass, I dont know how it works exactly but you could have been viewing the dream layer and then something caught your attention. That's when you began to see what was behind the dream.

[Leo Volont]

Dear Yume, From what perspective did you see your father? You say you saw the bed. If you were in your 3rd Person Perspective, and not in your body, then I would call this an OBE from out of a Lucid Dream. You Higher Self wanted you to catch Dad at his tricks. You see, the Higher Self knows a great deal. At college I only overslept two classes during my entire scholarly career, and in both cases the classes had been cancelled, so my Higher Self simply had me turn off the alarm and go back to bed. it still happens to the extent that I wake up from my naps with just enough time to get to places, and I never have to really worry about running late, because if my Higher Self let me get an extra ten minutes of sleep, then it knew something about my plans being delayed by ten minutes somehow. In your case, your Higher Self knew that Dad was ready to root around in your wallet.

[Kaniaz]

Uh, yeah, okay Leo. I would of just figured it's your mind seeing this happening and just making a "mish mash" of reality and dreaming again. No higher selves required for that.

[Yume]

Originally posted by Leo Volont Dear Yume, From what perspective did you see your father? *You say you saw the bed. *If you were in your 3rd Person Perspective, and not in your body, then I would call this an OBE from out of a Lucid Dream. * You Higher Self wanted you to catch Dad at his tricks. You see, the Higher Self knows a great deal. *At college I only overslept two classes during my entire scholarly career, and in both cases the classes had been cancelled, so my Higher Self simply had me turn off the alarm and go back to bed. *it still happens to the extent that I wake up from my naps with just enough time to get to places, and I never have to really worry about running late, because if my Higher Self let me get an extra ten minutes of sleep, then it knew something about my plans being delayed by ten minutes somehow. In your case, your Higher Self knew that Dad was ready to root around in your wallet. Dear Leo, I have had OBE's before and this was not an OBE. I was still in my body and I couldn't move. My dream was in third perspective, but viewing reality was not. Whether it was a higher self or not that helped me catch my father I was still im my body and in a sleeping state. Dear Newmoon, However this happened I would like to know how. It is an amazing gift that I was given a flash of. I hope to obtain the ability to do this at will if it is even possible. I have always wanted to connect both worlds to enjoy them both. After I had this experience I became much happier.

[Jrels]

Sometimes I'll "catch" myself just as I'm falling asleep, and open my eyes quickly. Only once when I did this did I see reality and a bit of "dream" (or rather hypnogogic imagery) combined. I looked around my room and I could see the walls of my room had strange psychedelic shapes moving along them like they were being emitted from something like a disco-ball. This lasted only for a couple of seconds, though.

[Vinje]

Dear Yume, it sounds like you woke up from your dream into full sleep paralysis. I found a method of obtaining this through WILD, I just slip into a dream and convince my subconsciousness to wake me up when its done, which also happens. Thats when I find myself fully paralysed, which you also were when you could see your father taking that money out of your wallet. When you're in SP, you can move your eyes and hear, but you cant really move anything else. This is the final state of the WILD, where you can either just lay still and observe your surroundings or slip into either a LD or an OBE (by attempting to roll off your bed). Now, if you didn't attempt a WILD, an explenation to this could be that your father disturbed your sleep, probably because it was early in the morning, you were in a light sleep state and dreaming. Since you weren't really aware if it was a dream or not, your mind just grabbed the observations and made it become a part of the dream. For example, if you are really tired one night, and you just lay down while a friend of yours keep talking to you. You would then eventually fall in and out of sleep, because the talking keeps you awake and on alert, while you try to fall asleep. Now, after a while this talk will just be accepted and brought into the dream. This happend to me last night, a friend of mine kept talking to me and I dreamt about things connected to what he was talking about. I'm not sure if you connected what you saw to a dream, of if you just layed there observing. Then, if you don't know whats happening, you wont know any better than thinking it's a dream. In the SP state you also hear sounds, you halucinate a lot and you could be forced into some really scary dreams. So the final conclusion is, you were in a SP, you saw your father taking that money, and your dream went on, since you were floating between consciousness and that dream. It was confusing and felt awkward because you didn't know about the SP state. If you knew about it, you would for sure have understood what that was going on. And yeah, I could have written this post in 3 lines, I'm just bored while waiting for this pizza to get done.

[Yume]

Vinje, I have not done a WILD in about 2 weeks. I really have no need to. To elaborate further I now know it was a SP, but the fact that I went in and out of it only to see my father take the money seems like it makes me think it could have been something more than that. That is why I placed this in beyond dreaming. It was weird because my dream was in about the shape of a sphere in the center of my focus whereas the way I have seen hypnotic images before it was less organized. I then quickly went back to the dream without any hesitation at all. It was not controlled. It was jsut odd that it happened so hastily. Really it could have been what Leo said like a higher self without an OBE though or like Newmoon said I had something that caught my attention through hypnogogic imagery out of something catching my attention though my eyes weren't open. I guess now i'd like to really know what caused this and how I can do it more often.

[Wicked]

most likely explanation - you actually woke up without realizing it, experienced sleep paralysis while watching your father take that money, then falling asleep again. His entrance was probably what woke you up, although he was apparently quiet enough not to wake you up abruptly.

[Matchbook]

It all sounds pretty simply to me, actually. I've had several instances recently where I partially wake up and can see my bed/room, but my dream is still projected in front of my open eyes, or I have weird hallucinations in my view; often people on my bedsheets. But I can see what is going on. My eyes are likely open. I'm guessing you still had a dream going while your eyes were open, but at the same time were watching your dad. Doesn't sound out of the ordinary to me.

[jay dawg]

hey vinje, you might get a kick out of this. during one of the 2 direct hit hurricanes to hit my area last year i had a cool LD. check this out, i was taking another nap on the floor and suddonly i found myself lucid in a halo-type zone shooting aliens with a pistol. i had the flashlight out and saw the walls lit up like in halo. thanks to all the noise from the roof almost being torn off, i was very lucid and it dawned on me that i was dreaming and i noticed i was dreaming in the same greatroom i had taken this nap in. as soon as i realized this i was in complete SP. it actually lasted a little longer than usual. i was able to move a little bit but my will gave up and i awoke. the wierd thing is i went into SP exactly where i was sleeping. as far as OBE goes: in my first LD i was in my bathroom and saw the garbage can out of place (what kinda WEAK dreamsign is that i mean come on!). somehow i realized i was dreaming and started to fade away. so i spun and came back and then finally started to fade backwards in the air. i knew i was heading to my body to wake up. i was in first person and slowly laid down into my body where i ended up in SP then woke up. i assumed i woke up and could see everything but was in SP. i say that to say this: i believe SP must somehow be related to the spirit. perhaps SP has to do with OBEs in that it is your spirit reconnecting to the concious mind? seems to be a good explaination as to why i floated backwards into my body and was asleep but still seeing my evironment around me......?